Anti's and the LEH in BC

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After having my LEH draws "evaporate" in the mail this year it opened my eyes a bit.
Talking to different people I heard a pretty bold statement that I hope is not accurate.
A seasoned hunter told me a story about the "green peacers" he called them. Apparently a large number of them all put in for draws and when sucessful they have a "tag burning party". The number he told me for this year was around 1500 tags burned! could this be right?

Even if this is an exagerated number the idea is still disturbing.
They do not realize that part of the LEH allotment is for conservation to prevent over population and the animals dying of desease or starvation.

Would changing the system to having to buy a hunting licence first before applying have any effect? if nothing else it would generate more cash for MOE.

what do you think of this ? any ideas on changes that might curb this activity?

as far as my leh tags they will be couriered to victoria for now on.:cool:
 
xcaribooer said:
Would changing the system to having to buy a hunting licence first before applying have any effect? if nothing else it would generate more cash for MOE.

I agree with this theory of buying a hunting licence first in order to participate on
the LEH system. I was told that they fear a loss of revenue as some don't hunt unless they are successful in their LEH draws.
Not sure of the wisdom of this. I believe one should have a valid hunting licence in
order to apply for the LEH.
This may weed out some of the do gooders but maybe not all.
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jdman said:
You need money to sit through core. I dont see these sacs of s**t doing that either. Welfare does not pay for CORE courses.
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are you sure welfare wouldnt buck up to give someone the means to provide for their family? not sure, but there are other sources of income to ..who knows what lengths they will go to in order to "save one of gods creatures"
I hear growing dope pays pretty well,
I am not suggesting that they are funded by illegal activity but they may not all be the stereotypical tree huggers either. people from all walks of life have strong views on things..
 
What about requiring a Possession licence? Forgive the ignorance, but hunters have at least a possession licence right? Would the LEH stealers bother with getting a licence too?

EDIT: Whoops, I guess not all hunting is done with firearms.
 
Let them buy all the LEH entries they want if this is true - which I highly doubt by the way.

All it will do is generate a cash stream for the BC ministry of Environment which will increase the number of tags issued the next year due to the low success rate.
 
I really can't see the "green peacers" going through the effort of the LEH system. Heck, many BC hunters who want an LEH have a hard time filling out the cards properly.

I have been selling LEH cards (part time mind you) for a number of years now, and I have not noticed anyone who looked like an "anti" buying LEH cards. They usually step into the store and look at the taxidermy and guns then start ranting about how evil we are, etc, etc - but that's another thread. I believe that many of the LEH's that are not used are hunters that put in for 'whatever' - usually low odd draws - and don't bother even attempting (or buying the species tag) to hunt the animal they were drawn for. Yes, there are circumstances that come up that are unavoidable, but there are those that don't think it is a big deal to 'waste' an LEH.

I agree with not only buying your hunting license, but also buying the species tag in order to validate your LEH application. It would be easy to add two extra spaces where to fill in your hunting license number and species tag. Mind you, it would be much easier if the government would computerize the whole hunting licensing process, but again, that is for another thread.;)

I am sure it is possible that some of the antis will go through the effort, but I don't think it is that many. I think the tag burning parties are more of an urban legend. And if there are workers inside Canada Post who help LEH cards 'disappear', they run the risk of being arrested for tampering with mail.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers!
 
'Boo said:
Let them buy all the LEH entries they want if this is true - which I highly doubt by the way.

All it will do is generate a cash stream for the BC ministry of Environment which will increase the number of tags issued the next year due to the low success rate.
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That would be great if all that money went to the MOE...but it probable would end up in general revenue.
 
Its a ridiculous scheme if the allegation is true. If 1500 tags got burned this year, the ratios go down next year because no tags will be filled and the populations will skyrocket. Plus, its cash flow into the program...
 
What would eventually happen if there are that high of a number of LEH winners "burning their draw" is that the Guide Outfitters will inherit the portion of allocations that the resident hunters are not filling. So in fact the anti's tactic does nothing in the way of "saving animals".

LEH is how the Ministry ensures that the number of animals they need down are taken so as to maintain healthy heards. If resident LEH is not accomplishing this, you can bet the Guide Outfitters will, it's money in the bank for them. The Guide Outfitters (while often in contention with resident hunters) do a tremendous job of promoting hunting. More money in their coffers through more allocations (due to preceived resident hunters non-success) will also have the undesirable affect for the antis in that the Guide Outfitters will have more money to promote what they do .. that is kill/harvest animals.

So really, I say let them carry on if that's indeed what they are doing, in the long run, they are promoting hunting and ensuring animals are being harvested!!
 
I don't know about a tag burning party, but I have heard of this practice in AB back when we had a grizzly hunt.

I remember where I heard that: I was taking a course from AHEIA and the instructor said it was common for anti's to take hunter ed for that purpose and make no secret bout why they are doing it.
 
There are definitely some people in Canada Post who are stealing LEH cards. Twice when I lived in BC I had cards not arrive for the draw. One year I sent 5 in one day, and then sent another one a couple days later. The 5 never made it, but the single did.

After that I started sending them all together in a single envelope with a hand written address. Never had a problem after that.
 
I'm pretty certain mine never made it when I just send the cards int he mail. Previously when I sent them all in an unmarked envelope, all were submitted. Last year, none made it in... strange.
 
Unless there is compulsory inspection required of the animal they can just say they were successfull in taking an animal and it gets counted in the harvest quota.
 
I took my CORE corse with the Director of the LEH system (at least a decade ago). He addressed this issue directly in class. He had heard the rumor (even back then) and is conviced it is an urban myth. While he does admit it is possible there are a few individual crackpots that might do this, he didn't feel there was any significant impact on the LEH system. He felt if there was widespread corruption of the sytem, it would have been pretty obvious, pretty quickly. The reason he was confident that it would be obvious is that apparently they look at every bit of statistcal data, forwards and backwards, sideways and upside-down. They don't have anything else to do, they work for the government! :p The point being, is they pour over pages and pages of data every year, and admitted to knowing pretty much everything every hunter (number) does every year. If they spotted Mr. X putting in for a dozen LEH hunts every year, and drawing a dozen tags each year, and each year having a 0% success rate, well, they will know something is off. Further, if this sort of thing happens for 1500 different Mr. X's, well, they will know they have a problem pretty quickly. That's the beauty of computers and statistics, they can give you all sorts of cool info, if you know how to use it.

Long story short, this likely isn't a issue.

(edit) PS: Cards not arriving in the mail is not a problem with the LEH system (though we should be able to apply on-line). It's a problem with CanadaPost. They "lose" my hunting catalogs all the time. Funny that. I hand deliver my LEH cards directly to the LEH drop box, so I haven't had the lost card problem. However, I do know they are VERY strict about what goes into that drop box. If the cutoff time is 5:00 pm, and some hunter runs up sweating at 5:00:29 pm, they smile, say sorry, and lock the box anyhow. Considering how valuable some people consider a LEH hunt, I personally would not use Canadapost for the cards. At the least, registered letter. More likely I would FedEx it. For less than the cost of a half-box of ammo, you are guaranteed it will arrive.
 
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