Any Consensus On Plastic Mags?
- Thread starter One Lung Wonder
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I have two pmags that I use just for practicing manipulations etc. I like them. But... I never invested in them as my go to mag for the following reasons. There are too many issues with needing the right generation for some firearms to work. If you run various platforms that use the STANAG mags then you can run into issues. I use the same mags in my AR15 rifles, Tavor and T97. The D&H mags have worked great in all three platforms. I have about 30 of those mags and so far no complaints. I paid about $16 each, they are tethlon coated and have the grey magpul anti tilt follower. For now I will stick with those as the mainstay for my STANAG mags.
The only reason I've generally stayed away from pmags have been the price (paid $12 each for my gen2 on sale but prices at times have been excessive), requiring a specific gen to work properly in various rifles and reports of some gens causing damage to non AR rifles with bolt lift issues. Also it should be noted that they are a bit longer than comparable STANAG mags which could affect using them when shooting prone depending on the firearm. Tavor comes to mind as an example. They are well made, work well when they work, are durable and look cool. But all is not perfect.
The only reason I've generally stayed away from pmags have been the price (paid $12 each for my gen2 on sale but prices at times have been excessive), requiring a specific gen to work properly in various rifles and reports of some gens causing damage to non AR rifles with bolt lift issues. Also it should be noted that they are a bit longer than comparable STANAG mags which could affect using them when shooting prone depending on the firearm. Tavor comes to mind as an example. They are well made, work well when they work, are durable and look cool. But all is not perfect.
The issue is your rifles not the mags. For guns made out of spec(the magwell that is) there will naturally be issues, but the Pmag specifically is not out of spec. It's made for the rifle that the STANAG standard was derived from/for.
TW25B
I love the PMAGS... Bought myself some super cheeseball Canada flag wraps for them too!
http://magazinewraps.com/canada-flag-vertical-ar-15-30-round-magpul-pmag-mag/
Couldn't help myself after I found out about them...
http://magazinewraps.com/canada-flag-vertical-ar-15-30-round-magpul-pmag-mag/
Couldn't help myself after I found out about them...
Having just got into the ar game I like the feel of the 30 rounders better. Give me a better grip on the gun, though maybe I'm not holding it the best way. I also like the fact that it has the possibility to hold 30 rounds should the laws get changed or shtf.
I guess that question will get answered after the election.
“I don’t think that law-abiding gun owners – shooters and hunters – want to stretch the law, but there are some who do, and will use a minor loophole to go beyond the law,” said Liberal public safety critic Wayne Easter. “Why would you ever need any more than five [rounds in a magazine]?”
“We have magazine limits for a reason, and that has to do with public safety,” said NDP public safety critic Randall Garrison.
“We should be making sure those rules work, and not allow additional loopholes which allow larger magazines. That loophole could be plugged by the government, if they wished to take action.”
Yet STANG standard works great. Sorry but I don't care what the reason is. The sollution is really simple and it doesn't involve pmags if you want one mag for all your STANAG magazine using firearms.
7 AR15, 1 Tavor, 1 T97. D&H mags work perfectly in all of them. I can't say that about my pmags. I also don't like the idea of various gens having to be used for specific firearms.
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My point still stands, the Pmag was built and designed around the rifle that the STANAG standard was derived from, and it works in MILSPEC guns. Issues encountered with non MILSPEC guns are not the result of "bad mags". Nothing really wrong with a USGI aluminum magazine; Except they don't have the consistency in product dimensions that a Pmag has and they deform easily from being dropped or stepped on, something the Pmag has zero issues with.
TW25B
OK I guess I have to spell it out for you. Your T97 does not have an in spec STANAG mag well, it's a Chinese POS. The Tavor also has a questionable mag well that does not accept all STANAG mags, which would lead one to believe that its the rifle and not the mags. If your DH mags are working then carry on, but don't blame an in spec STANAG mag for not working in your out of spec guns.
TW25B
First of all, there isn't really a stanag mag. Stanag 4179 was a draft. Everyone just uses the original M16 magazine well and aluminum mags as reference. We still see NATO countries like Czech and Croatia put in whatever magazines they want in their new assault rifles. Germany did not care either with G36 and a host of their clients like Spain and the Baltic states.
Since there are millions of M16, if they work in M16 it is a OK. Aluminum mags tend to work with more weapon platforms because most of them( from outside of the US) are designed around the most proliferated magazines, the GI aluminum mags. Things are changing though, as HK had given in and redesigned the mag well for the 416A5, even though PMag Gen 3 is out.
So there is some kind of convergence of magwell spec and magazines outthere driven by market demand and supply
Since there are millions of M16, if they work in M16 it is a OK. Aluminum mags tend to work with more weapon platforms because most of them( from outside of the US) are designed around the most proliferated magazines, the GI aluminum mags. Things are changing though, as HK had given in and redesigned the mag well for the 416A5, even though PMag Gen 3 is out.
So there is some kind of convergence of magwell spec and magazines outthere driven by market demand and supply
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Pmags have been proven superior to GI mags time and time again. The more reliable GI mags usually use the magpul anti tilt followers. They hold up just fine. As for battle tested mags outside of the stanag realm, the akm74 has been using bakelite plastic mags for a long time now with little to no issues, and the aug has also reliably functioned with polymer mags for decades. It's marginally lighter, doesn't corrode, resistant to bending or deforming which means it can feed reliably longer.
I don't recall ever saying such a stupid statement. The type 97 and all Norc products are unquestionably junk. For the plinker at the range they do their job, they make noise and spit brass. For competitors or MIL/LE users they're garbage. Pmags like other polymer mags work in milspec guns, they were designed for the AR FOW and that is where they work, if the rifle is milspec. Catering to offshoot out of spec rifles is not a priority for anyone making products for the AR FOW. If Pmags don't work in your POS rifle fine, run something else, but don't put blame where blame isn't due.
TW25B
