Any Plans for a .308 AR? MAJOR UPDATE MAY 8 2014

[kbun]

Maybe a dumb question but any chance this could be chambered in 223?

 

[zupermann]

, or would anyone be willing to take a chance on buying something that should be non restricted, uses Magpul or DPMS style AR10 mags, an AR10 bolt/chargeing handle and most AR furniture and IS accurate?

DPMS mags are better, unless maybe you're planning on modifying Norinco M14 mags (cheaper supply?) to use in your future rifle.

Do you think it'll be non restricted? Or would it be "AR" enough to be classified as one? (restricted)

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Maybe a dumb question but any chance this could be chambered in 223?

IF we can make this fly with the feds, to scale it down to 223 is a possibility, but for now the plan is 308 parent case only.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

DPMS mags are better, unless maybe you're planning on modifying Norinco M14 mags (cheaper supply?) to use in your future rifle.

Do you think it'll be non restricted? Or would it be "AR" enough to be classified as one? (restricted)

The whole idea of this project is to try and build something that the feds will not claim is an AR variant.
There is no predicting what they will come back with. Several firearms have been deemed prohib based solely on look. The GSG-5 comes to mind. Despite there not being 1 single part that is interchangeable with the H&K MP5 the RCMP deemed the gun a prohib simply because it looks like an MP5.

To my thinking all of humanity should take great offense at this sort of logic or lack thereof as it would indicate that all woman are prostitutes simply because they look like females and that every guy must be a rapist simply because he has the hardware from birth.

What really NEEDS to happen in this country is for the gun culture to file an action against the government rather than just weak lobbying in order to get firearms laws and the RCMP both tuned up and brought into the 21st century.
Modular firearms are the firearms of today yet by their thought process if it was applied to the automobile we would all be forced to drive Model Ts

 

[zupermann]

^^^That's right, and you'll be totally at their mercy in regards to classification, and this WILL affect sales. But they don't care, because the "culture" of this country is to discourage shooting of any kind (except for police and military).

If you do submit a sample or a picture for an FRT # or classification. Send one in with wood-like furniture. Your chances of non restricted approval will probably be better

 

[Ohno]

Guess you guys don't know about the AR10 ??

AR10?? What the hell is that. Dont come in here, trying to ruin this thread, by making up fake fire arms. If this AR15 lookalike 308 existed Iam sure it would have been mentioned in the first two pages. Twice.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

^^^That's right, and you'll be totally at their mercy in regards to classification, and this WILL affect sales. But they don't care, because the "culture" of this country is to discourage shooting of any kind (except for police and military).

If you do submit a sample or a picture for an FRT # or classification. Send one in with wood-like furniture. Your chances of non restricted approval will probably be better

The plan is use a Magpul PRS and a very basic non railed free float tube, most likley the PRI carbon fiber fore end.
The only parts that will interchange with an AR10 will be mags, furniture, bolt head, barrel extension, and the gas tube the rest of the parts will be dedicated to this firearm only.
We are going to incorporate the FN FAL style side charge handle as well as a 4lb match type single stage trigger. The mag release is on the right hand side of the "lower assembly" .
There may not be a last round hold open device as that is something that belongs on an assault rifle, we are still contemplating this feature.
The plan is to eliminate the take down pins as this is being made as a "sporting rifle" so fast takedown really is not required like an assault rifle needs to be.
It will be called the "Modern Hunter" and be fitted with an 18.75" or 475 mm long barrel to comply with the non restricted definition.

Thoughts so far??

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

The plan is use a Magpul PRS and a very basic non railed free float tube, most likley the PRI carbon fiber fore end.
The only parts that will interchange with an AR10 will be mags, furniture, bolt head, barrel extension, and the gas tube the rest of the parts will be dedicated to this firearm only.
We are going to incorporate the FN FAL style side charge handle as well as a 4lb match type single stage trigger. The mag release is on the right hand side of the "lower assembly" .
There may not be a last round hold open device as that is something that belongs on an assault rifle, we are still contemplating this feature.
The plan is to eliminate the take down pins as this is being made as a "sporting rifle" so fast takedown really is not required like an assault rifle needs to be.
It will be called the "Modern Hunter" and be fitted with an 18.75" or 475 mm long barrel to comply with the non restricted definition.

Thoughts so far??

I think the takedown pins are very convinient and if you can use them in your design the better.

Same with the bolt catch. But I could live without it if I had to.

But so far it sound really good.

 

[Satain]

The plan is use a Magpul PRS and a very basic non railed free float tube, most likley the PRI carbon fiber fore end.
The only parts that will interchange with an AR10 will be mags, furniture, bolt head, barrel extension, and the gas tube the rest of the parts will be dedicated to this firearm only.
We are going to incorporate the FN FAL style side charge handle as well as a 4lb match type single stage trigger. The mag release is on the right hand side of the "lower assembly" .
There may not be a last round hold open device as that is something that belongs on an assault rifle, we are still contemplating this feature.
The plan is to eliminate the take down pins as this is being made as a "sporting rifle" so fast takedown really is not required like an assault rifle needs to be.
It will be called the "Modern Hunter" and be fitted with an 18.75" or 475 mm long barrel to comply with the non restricted definition.

Thoughts so far??

 

[zupermann]

It will be called the "Modern Hunter" and be fitted with an 18.75" or 475 mm long barrel to comply with the non restricted definition.

Thoughts so far??

Wow, lots of things to consider. Direct gas impingement? Adjustable gas block? Short stroke piston?

A bolt hold open would be desirable (or leave it in the design so one can be retrofitted if you feel that including one makes it too "assault" rifle-ish for non-restricted classification). Even if it is mag actuated only (such as on the Yugo AK's---as soon as the mag is removed, the bolt closes).

Lack of "quick takedown pins? Just as long as it's easy to clean the vitals/receiver--which on a DGI design carbon/dirt gets in lots of places.

I'm not so hot personally on hunting (modern hunter version) rifles, but would have my (and others') interest in a heavy barrel varmint/long range version of your rifle. Incorporating the ability to accept "tacticool" aftermarket accessories would only help your market appeal to the widest amount of people possible.

Anyway, just a couple of quick thoughts....

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Wow, lots of things to consider. Direct gas impingement? Adjustable gas block? Short stroke piston?

A bolt hold open would be desirable (or leave it in the design so one can be retrofitted if you feel that including one makes it too "assault" rifle-ish for non-restricted classification). Even if it is mag actuated only (such as on the Yugo AK's---as soon as the mag is removed, the bolt closes).

Lack of "quick takedown pins? Just as long as it's easy to clean the vitals/receiver--which on a DGI design carbon/dirt gets in lots of places.

I'm not so hot personally on hunting (modern hunter version) rifles, but would have my (and others') interest in a heavy barrel varmint/long range version of your rifle. Incorporating the ability to accept "tacticool" aftermarket accessories would only help your market appeal to the widest amount of people possible.

Anyway, just a couple of quick thoughts....

Make NO mistake, this will NOT look like a Fudd gun, but we are trying to make it look less like a paramilitary firearms due to the fact that the feds have played the " it looks like a ??? so there fore it is a variant" despise there being no interchangeable parts at all game.

Easy take down is accomplished, as it will be D.I.
No need for adjustable gas block, typically they are just a source of grief anyway.

 

[AlexF]

Nice to see the bar being set low
So having a goodly number of proprietary parts is not a problem?

I used to own an excellent XCR-L but you can't get match barrels, you can't get 6.5 Grendel barrels, etc.
A rifle which uses key AR10 parts such as trigger, barrel and grips would be a sure winner.

You just need to figure out where to put the "piston" on this gun

As for the name, please put a Canadian, Canada, Alberta, or Super Beaver somewhere in the name to scare away RCMP's gun classification trolls!

Alex

 

[SCDL]

Colour me interested!

Is your charging handle reciprocating?

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Colour me interested!

Is your charging handle reciprocating?

NO!! I hate getting my fingers bashed.

 

[MikeH]

Would be very interested if it takes the DPMS / SR25 style mag ( Magpul PMAGS).

Also one point would be the ability to take the DPMS / SR25 forends rather then the AR10. the threading is different in the 2. I think those are the 2 major differences.

DPMS / remington parts are much easier to get then AR10

 

[SCDL]

Would be very interested if it takes the DPMS / SR25 style mag ( Magpul PMAGS).

Also one point would be the ability to take the DPMS / SR25 forends rather then the AR10. the threading is different in the 2. I think those are the 2 major differences.

DPMS / remington parts are much easier to get then AR10

Are there any AR-10's that use M14 mags? It's probably the most common .308 magazine for a non-restricted rifle in Canada.

The lack of drop-free would suck, but oh well.

 

[MikeH]

Most AR10's use modified M14 mags,

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

all AR10's use M14 mags.

Sorry, and I hate to correct people, but that would be wrong. their are two common types of mags used in .308 AR type rifles. The most common is sometimes knows as the "DPMS" pattern mag. This is what is used in rifles such as the KAC and LMT offerings, other rifles like the upcoming RobArm XCR-M will use this type of mag. It has basically become the standard mag for modern .308 auto loaders.

The less common type is the "Armalite" pattern mag that armalite uses.

They are not interchangeable.

However, their were a few rifles that were designed to take modified M-14 mags, but they were no longer really M14 mags though.

 

[rivetc78]

Right I can't even think of any mag that is that cheap anymore.

G3 mags.



The problem I have with AR10 mags.... 5 for $150 across the border. 10 for $275

5 for $400+ here. LAME

That is why everyone wants a DPMS mag. $30 each for a Magpul.

AR10 mags would kill your Rifle. The cost is way to high.

 

[SCDL]

Most AR10's use modified M14 mags,

I was under the impression that grabbing a magazine from your M305 and trying to use it in an AR-10 would not function. If that is the case, my comment stands.