Not wrong! We have all passed on our best information based on our own experience or judgements. The OP ninepointer has been around loading and nutz for a while. He will make up his own mind. Good shooting to you as well.
Anybody reload Win Super Target or Universals?
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Not wrong! We have all passed on our best information based on our own experience or judgements. The OP ninepointer has been around loading and nutz for a while. He will make up his own mind. Good shooting to you as well.
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At least we now know why the floor in the Men's Room is always wet !
??? She is holding the same thing the guy on the right is?? All I was saying is things may look like what you think they are from the outside like these hulls but are totally different on the inside.
And Fred there are no urinals in ladies bathrooms , I asked the mrs.
??? She is holding the same thing the guy on the right is?? All I was saying is things may look like what you think they are from the outside like these hulls but are totally different on the inside.
And Fred there are no urinals in ladies bathrooms , I asked the mrs.
Yup, that would be one way to find out about the women's bathrooms all right 3macs1. Just something to chew on, but I measured wall thickness in groups of 10 once used cases using a ball micrometer. Super Target had an average thickness of 0.020"; Kents were 0.022; AAHS were 0.026; Federal Target 0.025 and, get this...my older AA's were 0.019.
That may be one reason why those older AA's crimp is so nice. What would also be interesting is the wall thickness in the area where the powder is first ignited?
??? She is holding the same thing the guy on the right is?? All I was saying is things may look like what you think they are from the outside like these hulls but are totally different on the inside.
You may be jumping to conclusions as well? Both might not be holding on to anything? If we are going to think out of the box, might get way out
Gun shop men's rooms are always that way. At the counter they talk about sub minute of angle groups and in the men's room their pee shooter can't hit a 12 inch target at point blank or shoots more like a sawed of shotie.
Actually in Trap shooting patterning is mandatory in our neck of the woods.
Patterns are the same between AAHS and the Win Super target hulls.
Now we do not load for a super handicap load as in most cases the average shooter cannot handle the added recoil after 100 to 200 targets anyway so have no idea what the patterns are at this level.
Also if you would not use Super Target hulls in pump or semi's the AAHS have the same problem with base wads. No matter what Winchester prints.
Only Remington have a full compression hull if you are concerned even the steel base Gun Clubs.
However while the AA and Super Targets load on the same settings the Remintons require quite a bit of changes to the settings so therefore my supply of Remingtons are in storage.
Don
Patterns are the same between AAHS and the Win Super target hulls.
Now we do not load for a super handicap load as in most cases the average shooter cannot handle the added recoil after 100 to 200 targets anyway so have no idea what the patterns are at this level.
Also if you would not use Super Target hulls in pump or semi's the AAHS have the same problem with base wads. No matter what Winchester prints.
Only Remington have a full compression hull if you are concerned even the steel base Gun Clubs.
However while the AA and Super Targets load on the same settings the Remintons require quite a bit of changes to the settings so therefore my supply of Remingtons are in storage.
Don
Don there is no way your reloaded universals or ST hulls with the AA data will pattern like a factory AAHS.
For me I reload 100% compression formed other than some federal and that is one time for a friend who then toss them or some of my 10ga federal hunting loads are fiber base..
Have probally 25,000 12ga old AA compression hulls alone stashed after I seen the 1st new AAHS and knew back then what was happening. That being said you can still get 12ga old compression formed once fired today if I looked for under 10 cents.
Bottom line keep reloading the junk winchester hulls and you will have a base wad seperation and I just hope you catch it like this 20ga winchester ST reloader did in his gun.Not worth the risk to my hands and face etc for me. Take care
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I have about 5000 of the old AA's also and about 8000 of the various Remington's trap hulls.
Boy those Gold Remington hulls sure look nice.
The old AA's have always had a problem on the first load with cracking of the crimp and abut 10% or more seem to be junk. After that they will go 5 or more.
We do and have done a lot of patterning and if the Super Targets were a problem they would not be used.
I do not have any of the big name shotguns just the poor man trap guns 870CT, 870 Competition, BT99, and about 6 other 870's in various configurations along with an 1100 or two.
We are a fairly active club with many different shotguns used by the members so have seen just about all types and makes.
We have four trap Fields and a Skeet field going since the early 70's I am the current manager of this at the present time.
Our ATA shoot shoot is always in the second week of September and has a fun shoot under the lights for a "Hooty Owl bragging rights" added to this along with a trophy and Champions shooter jacket.
3macs1 it sounds like we are about the same age so therefore have each formed out own
opinions and neither one of us will likely change.
I also do no high performance shot shell loading so therefore as stated no high pressures are involved. Now rifle is a different story.
Have a great and safe trap season and if my eyes allow it hope to see many of you on the trap line.
Don
Boy those Gold Remington hulls sure look nice.
The old AA's have always had a problem on the first load with cracking of the crimp and abut 10% or more seem to be junk. After that they will go 5 or more.
We do and have done a lot of patterning and if the Super Targets were a problem they would not be used.
I do not have any of the big name shotguns just the poor man trap guns 870CT, 870 Competition, BT99, and about 6 other 870's in various configurations along with an 1100 or two.
We are a fairly active club with many different shotguns used by the members so have seen just about all types and makes.
We have four trap Fields and a Skeet field going since the early 70's I am the current manager of this at the present time.
Our ATA shoot shoot is always in the second week of September and has a fun shoot under the lights for a "Hooty Owl bragging rights" added to this along with a trophy and Champions shooter jacket.
3macs1 it sounds like we are about the same age so therefore have each formed out own
opinions and neither one of us will likely change.
I also do no high performance shot shell loading so therefore as stated no high pressures are involved. Now rifle is a different story.
Have a great and safe trap season and if my eyes allow it hope to see many of you on the trap line.
Don
Not a fancy gun guy either Don. Was at one time when I shot like a robot but know better now.
Love the 870's and have a load of them.
Since we are talking the old AA compression formed hulls you have to go back further than the ones I think you are talking about.
The ones you want to save have the solid copper primer, have a ring on the outside of the brass and have a WW on the bottom, and no shine on the red plastic. They will not spilt as you mention and will go 8-10 reloads with no problem.
Winchester actaully changed the plastic composition I cannot remember the year but those are the ones that yes split and have problems.Those are a shiny red in color and have a primer with a copper center but a silver ring around it. Still compression formed but not the ones I stash.
Here is a pic of two of each side by side, plus a pic actually showing the color diff and the cracks actually starting on the one on the left.
Old I am not as old as some think but was shooting in the late 60's as a small boy with my dad who was a big time trap and skeet shooter.
Was probally 7 or 8 pulling the mec handles for him .
Lets just say I still have a couple 100 of the red 20ga winchesters so I am old I guess.
Today I shoot a 870 28ga pump for everything trap included. Gun down and have a ball.
Take care
Are these the good kind? I got these a while back. They came as primed hulls with no marking on the hull.[/QUOTE]
That is the ones Covey.They are the very best of the winchester compression formed.Wish I had a camera that would take good pics like yours.
They are 25 years old min.
That is the ones Covey.They are the very best of the winchester compression formed.Wish I had a camera that would take good pics like yours.
They are 25 years old min.
That is the ones Covey.They are the very best of the winchester compression formed.Wish I had a camera that would take good pics like yours.
They are 25 years old min.[/QUOTE]
I only had about a hundred of these. Don't have many left. Some went into my auto and I never picked them up. Nothing special about camera. Just focus. That reminds me that your camera better be in focus when you send me a pic of a target with a dozen holes
