canucklehead
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Yeah - and don't try it with a full choke either! 
Anyone *actually* killed a bear with a shotgun?
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and give us that range report Spitzer said:
I tried this with four different loads in my shop. Cut right above brass line. One cut through and spilled powder. To load this thing would be more difficult than a muzzle loader? Two was a compression formed hull and my entire cut was through plastic and I still don't know how I would load this dammed thing?
Three was a 20 gauge gun club and my cut severed the back cup portion of the wad. I supposed I could have loaded this one in two pieces? My best try was with super x long range field load. My cut was just above the over powder cup, but I would have to load this in two pieces as well. I am waiting for Gatehouse to report back on the shooting portion of this experiment, because I do not have any #### guns that I am willing to give up and even if I did, I would not want to stand near
I think that this might be a bit of an urban legend! I have heard about it for years but have never spoken to anyone who actually tried it, til this thread. Gosh it may actually work but one would have to know the exact anatomy of the shot shell being used and would have to have one pre prepped for the occasion. No in a pinch quick on the spot jack knife fix for modern day plastic shells. I used a heavy duty sharp knife on a work bench and it was not an easy cut.
Far simpler to carry a couple slugs when your out birding in bear country!
Most light coloured shotshells are translucent enough to see the anatomy if you hold them up to a bright light.
And of course you wouldn't do this with good shells that you plan to reload.
My Mossy 500 and my Bennelli ate them with no problems.
And of course you wouldn't do this with good shells that you plan to reload.
My Mossy 500 and my Bennelli ate them with no problems.
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What are we talking about here? cutting shells just above the brass... why? can someone give me this rundown in layman's terms please
Splatter said:
Then, next time I go out hunting ruffs in K counntry, I will be sure to bring the light colored plastic ones and a light as well just in case I am in heavy cover and can not see the sun...or what if old bear surprises me and I don't have time to hold shell up to light, make presise cut....????
Better to wait and let him swallow a muzzle of 7 1/2s or better still carry a couple or slugs and a sharp knife.
The sharp knife?? To cut my throat in case those slugs did not do the trick
northwoodslivin said:What are we talking about here? cutting shells just above the brass... why? can someone give me this rundown in layman's terms please
Someone asked a legitimate question about the effectivness of buck shot on bears and before you know it gun nutz are perpetuating an old hunter's tale of turning a shottie into a sluggie which involves a very dangerous practice.
If this actually does work, I would suggest that the ones making the claims prepare a short demo video and providing it for this forum
Covey Ridge said:If this actually does work, I would suggest that the ones making the claims prepare a short demo video and providing it for this forum
When the snow is gone from my range I'll go do some testing with pics. Last time I did this was 16 years ago.
Wrong Way said:
If you are hunting grouse, Gatehouse is better equipped. He will probably end up with a whole sack of grouse, some taken with a second shot
What happens when you pop your grouse load, and when your fumbling to reload your special sequence and then yogi decides that it is time to make his move? I would take my chances with one or maybe two slugs!BTW there might not be much logic in blinding an animal that might not be able to see well in the first place. Might not be much of a handicap
At best it might offer enough distraction to give Gatehouse a chance to get his slugs loaded.Your question is so what if, that you both might think of shooting the other in the foot, so you can make your get away while the bear has lunch
Gatehouse said:I am sure either one of them woudl give a bear a headache (probably smash some skull at 5ft, too) and I woudlnt' hesitate to shoot one in the head if that's all I had, and it was 5 feet away...But I can't imagine being so oblivious to my surroundings that I woudl let a bear get THAT close!!!
Well I did not have a 4X4, so I nailed two 2X4s of dry fir together and shot them at 6 ft. 12 gauge 2 ¾, 1 1/8, 7 ½ , 1145 f.p.s. Federal Top Gun, the cheap stuff! Skeet Choke. Two pieces became four. 1 ½ inch clean hole right through first piece. 1 1/8 inch clean hole through second. I would not want to be a bear, if that is all I had, but on the other hand going through this exercise made me realize how close 6 ft. is
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Covey Ridge said:Someone asked a legitimate question about the effectivness of buck shot on bears and before you know it gun nutz are perpetuating an old hunter's tale of turning a shottie into a sluggie which involves a very dangerous practice.
If this actually does work, I would suggest that the ones making the claims prepare a short demo video and providing it for this forum
Do you mind explaining this old hunters tale?
Cutting a shell just past the brass, I don't get it? how can you fit anything into it...someone explain this so I can have a better understanding if you wouldn't mind.
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Getting back on thread track, shot more than a few with the Challenger 2 3/4 mag slugs from Epps. They work extremely well. I also did one up in the side of his punkin' at contact distance with 2 3/4 " OO buck, N/P straight down, and much less rick o'shea problems.
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You lightly cut the shell just above the brass. When the shell fires the plastic separates at the cut and leaves the entire barrel as one solid mass. I've never done it but I did have a batch of Federal Gold Medal 28 gauge hulls that did this of their own accord.northwoodslivin said:
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Claybuster said:
Christ......
Is that safe? I mean.... the chamber is larger then the rest of the barrel, is there not a high risk of blowing the barrel up with this method?
Hey, if it works, cool. I don't think I would have the balls to try it out on my new shottie. Maybe the winchester lol
The rounds that did this in my 28 gauge didn't hurt the barrel. If the shot and wad will compress sufficiently to go through a tight choke then I think the hull would do the same.northwoodslivin said:
The dangerous part was the two rounds where the hull tube got stuck in the barrel. Had I not checked and fired a second round it would have been bad.
I would never do this deliberately and in my case it was the result of some POS Federal hulls. I now load Winchester hulls in my 28.
Covey Ridge said:
Nobody is recommending the practice. It was reported as being done, nothing more.
And no one is recommending doing it in the heat of an attack.
I think enough of us here have done it to prove that it's possible and none of us are any the worse for having done it (with the possible exception of Gatehouse, after he passed-out from the blood loss we haven't heard from him again).
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Splatter said:
lol. Hopefully the crazy bastard is alright!
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Claybuster said:The rounds that did this in my 28 gauge didn't hurt the barrel. If the shot and wad will compress sufficiently to go through a tight choke then I think the hull would do the same.
The dangerous part was the two rounds where the hull tube got stuck in the barrel. Had I not checked and fired a second round it would have been bad.
I would never do this deliberately and in my case it was the result of some POS Federal hulls. I now load Winchester hulls in my 28.
uh yeah. That is enough to tell me it is a very dumb idea.
What is the sense of doing this anyway.
One member said they used wax with shot, now that makes more sense to me as it would be a solid projectile such as a slug exiting the muzzle. Cutting a hull though...bad idea me thinks.
northwoodslivin said:
This is just like asking an atheist to explain God!
You might get a better understanding if you read post 11,14, 52, 54, 55, 56, 57, and 59 etc. Some (not me) say that if you weaken a shotshell tube at a certain point, by cutting, (in front of the brass) the wad and the forward part of the shell and the shot will all travel down the barrel as one and as will leave the barrel as one and will be almost as good as a slug at longer ranges than shot. I say that though the shot might stay together for a short while, much like a plastic wad, it will not remain like a solid for long. I think that this oversized projectile squeezed over the forcing cone, into a smaller sized bore and then past an even smaller sized choke will distort and loose its payload long before it reached a distant target. I have heard of this method being used many times before but til this thread I have never heard anyone claim that they actually used it to kill anything, especially bears.
Gosh I may have missed something, but I always thought of these stories as being tall tales. Being the open minded person that I am, I would be willing to change my mind upon seeing a demonstration!
I have no doubt that as claybuster says that it can be done and in his case has happened by a fault in the ammo. I just have doubts when claims are made as to its effectivness on distant large game. Anyone who tries this without a long string is
Has anyone heard from Gatehouse
