Anyone bought a new Savage lately?

That's fine if that's all you want. Just be sure you have one that won't decock itself or is otherwise defective from the factory. Thing is, they're not really specially priced anymore. You can get more for the same money elsewhere.
 
Well, I did bring my first 111 hunting. That's the one with the bad trigger. It was locked when I tried to shoot a mule deer but fortunately, he was a far away I was able to re-set it without spooking him.

Then, the scope failed before the end of the hunt. Not the scope's fault, the bases were about 8-10 drilled off center and with wide, straight rings this put horrible pressure on the tube, destroying the scope under recoil.

Oh, also with a quick mag load, and not clicking in the rear part which is easy to do in freezing temps, it failed to feed.

A quality piece upon which to trust my hunt! Ha ha
 
ALBERTA BOY said:
Well, I did bring my first 111 hunting. That's the one with the bad trigger. It was locked when I tried to shoot a mule deer but fortunately, he was a far away I was able to re-set it without spooking him.

Then, the scope failed before the end of the hunt. Not the scope's fault, the bases were about 8-10 drilled off center and with wide, straight rings this put horrible pressure on the tube, destroying the scope under recoil.

Oh, also with a quick mag load, and not clicking in the rear part which is easy to do in freezing temps, it failed to feed.

A quality piece upon which to trust my hunt! Ha ha
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Not Savages fault that you cant outsmart the clip. I have never had a problem putting the clip in any of my Savages. I also have not had any of my accutriggers mess up. I would imagine if I slammed my rifle against a rock hard enough I could disengage it, but thats not my thing. At first I thought that this guy has had some very bad luck with Savage. But after the accuracy claims of his 6 fake weatherbys, I take it for what its worth.
 
sksavenger said:
Not Savages fault that you cant outsmart the clip. I have never had a problem putting the clip in any of my Savages. I also have not had any of my accutriggers mess up. I would imagine if I slammed my rifle against a rock hard enough I could disengage it, but thats not my thing. At first I thought that this guy has had some very bad luck with Savage. But after the accuracy claims of his 6 fake weatherbys, I take it for what its worth.
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As I said, you can contact the member here 'furry' he's seen me shoot it several times. Just because your experience shooting makes the shot seem unlikely to you, doesn't discredit other people who put in the time and practice to regularly group well at that distance ;)

And yes, it is Savage's fault for making a magazine (not a clip) with such a poor fit, finish, and design. Any other magazine from any other brand doesn't require such attention to pushing hard on the rear portion first. It requires a fair amount of attention if the mag is charged and the bolt is closed. Any other mag just clicks right in...
 
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ALBERTA BOY said:
As I said, you can contact the member here 'furry' he's seen me shoot it several times. Just because your experience shooting makes the shot seem unlikely to you, doesn't discredit other people who put in the time and practice to regularly group well at that distance ;)

And yes, it is Savage's fault for making a magazine (not a clip) with such a poor fit, finish, and design. Any other magazine from any other brand doesn't require such attention to pushing hard on the rear portion first. It requires a fair amount of attention if the mag is charged and the bolt is closed. Any other mag just clicks right in...
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Well I have had no issues at all installing the clip in any of them. Im sorry to hear you have such difficulties in life. And your 6 .33 MOA vanguards story takes away any credibility to anything you say IMHO. And I dont dis credit your shooting, because I dont consider strapping your rifle into a leadsled, shooting.
 
07blackwater said:
I don't feel I've over paid for mine and I've never had a malfunction.....

....and I'm talking real world hunting situations here.
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I own 9 of them so far and dont feel I have overpaid either. And I happily paid more for some of them than I would have for a so called weatherby. I can snap the clip (mag) in easily without thinkin about it in any weather. They have all been out in the real world, hunting and have never let me down. And the 6 centrefires will shoot under 1 inch with quality factory ammo.
 
I recently purchased a model savage scout in 7.62X39. It has the accu trigger, accu stock and detachable mag. The rifle retailed near 800.00 Absolutely no issues, great accuracy. It will put two rounds under an inch but the third always brings it back to an inch. (prvi soft point 123 grain) These are .310 or .311 bullets thorugh a .308 bore. With handloads (.308 hornady 130 grain it is always under an inch) 20" barrel, conventionally mounted cheap banner scope. Sure it is black with flat black finish but I LOVE IT!. Most guys in our deer moose/ camps hunt with various new savages including the venerable Stevens 200 no issues. I do own two mid '70s Remington 700's and they are nice rifles but not so much nicer than the savage to change my opinion.

Darryl
 
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I think Alberta Boy had some guy shooting a Savage Axis with factory ammo and a low-end scope shoot better than him and his billion dollar ultra long range varmint rig.
 
i have owned three savages. two scouts. didn't like the mag release setup or stocks so i sold them. both were reasonably accurate with no malfuntions. the 10 f something heavy barrel varment rifle had a stock that would twist on a bipod causing accuracy problems. upgraded to a b&c stock and it would shoot half inch groups. no malfuntions but still an ugly rifle. sold it too. savages have there place in the gun world. my custom rems definatly better quality but at 4 to 5 times the cost. my t3 laminates i much rather have but again 2 to 3 times the cost. if on a budget i don't think savages are a bad deal. i think there not to well finished and ugly as sin but for the cost your getting a lot of gun unlike remingtons 770 piece of crap.
 
07blackwater said:
ALBERTA BOY, I read your first few Savage rants on this thread. When I have more time I'll read the rest because you seem to know what you're talking about.

That said my first savage was a 116fcss 7mm mag. The thing is great with cheapo federal blues, better than my dad's 700 and my 760. I also bought a .22 BTVS to keep me busy when the big gun is cooling down at the range or general plinking.

What I've found is it the savage doesn't feel as nice, look as nice, cycle as nice but it sure shoots good for what I'm using it for. I don't care that it doesn't have a fake wood looking monte carlo or a 'slick as butter' throw on the bolt, it fills the freezer.

You know what's funny is lately I've been thinking about building a nice 6.5 for deer hunting based on a cz or sako but then I thought screw it, to me it's a tool. I don't want to worry about scratching it, I just want an accurate gun I haven't paid so much for I have to baby.

BTW, I haven't had any issues with either of mine and I'm thinking of getting another.
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blackwater
if you have a chance to check out the American Classic model14/114 for an American made rifle that does not cost $1800. Very smooth action, great fit and finnish and the accutrigger breaks crisp in my new 250. fs
 
ALBERTA BOY said:
In my opinion, there are many.

It depends on your budget. For a lifetime hunting rifle, I would recommend the Winchester M70. conical breech face, controlled round feed, giant external extractor. Incredible fit and finish for the money.

The Browning X-bolt is a quality rifle for the money.

So is the Mark V.

If your budget is tighter, at the $550 mark, the Vanguard S2 is really good. The quality control is apparent in these rifles. The fit and finish matches firearms at twice the price point.

They are very accurate and present possibly the best value today in firearms.

There's not a piece of plastic in them anywhere except the stock if you buy synthetic. The bolt design is wonderful with a great claw extractor. Need to take down the bolt after being out in the rain? Grab the bolt shroud and twist clockwise to remove it and the firing pin from the one piece bolt body. No cast bolt handle. Very good trigger. Pressure point at front of barrel means stock will not flex and change POI when using a sling as a support.

There are many other options, of course.

In my opinion, Savage should be at the very bottom of any list.
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I currently own and like two Savage rifles. I do heartily agree with your opinion of the Vanguard S 2 and it is a valid comparison at its price point. Unfortunately the Vanguard isn't as widely available as Savage rifles are.
 
I own two Savage rifles and tend to agree with Alberta boy to a degree. Both my rifles are cheapo models one being an Axis and the other a 116 with a synthetic stock. Both rifles had the stocks touching the barrel and needed to be grinded down a bit to free float. This seems unacceptable as not every hunter is that knowlegable to check out their firearms in that way. The axis in 223 will shoot under 1" easy with hand loads and a cheap scope. The 116 in 338 Win mag had very basic load development aimed more at velocity than accuracy and yet it will shoot about 1.5" groups. Both rifles lack fit and finish. Savage synthetic stocks are really quite poor in my opinion, but the rest of the rifle I am very pleased with. The faulty trigger issue seems like a bit of a moot point. If my savage rifle ever ends up in the condition where the trigger has been forced back and has to be reset I will not complain about loosing an oppertunity to harvest game rather I will be wondering at what point in the day had the trigger been forced back and what would have happened had it not been an Accutrigger??? That's like complaining that an airbag has to be reset after it potentially saved your life. Not? But that's just my opinion. I do want to thank Albertaboy for raising the point about the trigger. I went and grabbed my 116 and tried it for myself after reading it. It may save me some agrivation in the future. My trigger however will not release if wiggled back and forth as described by Albertaboy

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g-manz35 said:
I went and grabbed my 116 and tried it for myself after reading it. It may save me some agrivation in the future. My trigger however will not release if wiggled back and forth as described by Albertaboy

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I did the same thing with all mine that have the Accutrigger, not a single one of them released in the manner described. The trigger is intended to be pulled back, not pushed side to side. If its malfunctioning due to improper use by the operator, well that's the operators fault, not the gun or Savages'.
 
Yes, guys. I was speaking about a single specific rifle which had a defective trigger which would trip with the slightest bump even at max pull weight. That's a specific rifle that was defective and non representative of all savages but is telling about savage quality control.

It was another poster who mentioned the sideways pressure thing.

Regarding the airbag analogy, that doesn't really work.

A quality manufacturer will release a rifle that has been bump tested and will not release when the rifle is dropped or the bolt closed hard.

The point is that the accu trigger is a kludge design who's purpose is to allow savage to pump out rifles with low pull weights without having to test them for safety because of the backup safety mechanism.

The backup safety mechanism doesn't make the trigger any better or lighter in pull, it just allows the trigger to be set to levels which would be unsafe in another rifle. Other manufacturers test their triggers to ensue they're safe from factory without needing the backup system.
 
It was I that posted about the retarded accutrigger, and it doesn't take much pressure to lock it up. If it was not an accutrigger nothing happens, you just click off the safety and fire, with the accutrigger you have to use the bolt to free up the trigger.

The accutrigger is a bandaid fix for an extremely poor trigger system, they should just use a better trigger.
 
Fassteel said:
blackwater
if you have a chance to check out the American Classic model14/114 for an American made rifle that does not cost $1800. Very smooth action, great fit and finnish and the accutrigger breaks crisp in my new 250. fs
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I was looking at those actually. Nice rifles. I originally wanted a 6.5x55 so I could load for it and my Mauser but a. 243 14/114 would make a sweet deer rifle my 13 year old son could use as well.
 
Cleftwynd said:
It was I that posted about the retarded accutrigger, and it doesn't take much pressure to lock it up. If it was not an accutrigger nothing happens, you just click off the safety and fire, with the accutrigger you have to use the bolt to free up the trigger.

The accutrigger is a bandaid fix for an extremely poor trigger system, they should just use a better trigger.
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I have to disagree a bit. My buddy's Remington 700 trigger jammed up really bad one time. Luckily he had another rifle to finish the trip.
 
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