Anyone ever have a semi that outshot a bolt
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At this years Lande Tactical event we had a custom AR-10 shoot 4 straight aspirin in our cash pot shoot at 100 yards. It was only when we went to a best group tie breaker that he lost to a 1/3 MOA group out of a custom bolt gun in 30-06. I would have never believed it if I hadn't have witnessed it.
I had a custom built M14 Type rifle that was built by Hungry that would keep right up with many custom bolt guns..............It is the one rifle I regret selling.............
Yes AR rifles. Especially AR10 ones with SS match barrels and match triggers. They are right up there with the best tactical precision rifles. Won't beat the bench rest or top Fclass rifles though. But still amazingly good especially for a semi auto.
So aside from the fact that a bolt" Locks and seals the round", could there be an argument based on experience that
a semi with it's benefits ie speed can keep up. Yes I know about the U.S navy using M14's. Any bench rest shooters
wanna throw in a word?
a semi with it's benefits ie speed can keep up. Yes I know about the U.S navy using M14's. Any bench rest shooters
wanna throw in a word?
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I was out shooting at 400 with a friend today. Both he and his girlfriend were shooting consistant sub 2.5 inch groups out of an AR15 with a Stag 24" Target barrel, 69 gr matchkings. I was quite impressed.
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They will be shooting a club match with the gun today. We will see how it fares.
Im detecting your sarcasm,however,i was there,and we had a press set up doing load development at the range for about 9 hours with the gun. We found a great load for the gun. It is a match grade barrel, and they are loaded long so have to be fired single shot.
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Well, I just got home from our club shoot, the winner had a savage FTR rebarreled to 223 with a shilen, I finished 2nd with the same, 3rd was a barnard actioned 6.5x47, and fourth place was my friends girlfriend with the AR15, followed by my friend also with the AR15. They finished ahead of some pretty impressive rigs (lots of crazy custom guns) and the best part was they were using a 3-9 redfield scope lol.
That AR15 is a tackdriver.
That AR15 is a tackdriver.
An off the shelf M1A/M14 will be hit or miss. The M14 platform needs professional tuning and constant maintenance to maintain consistent sub moa accuracy due to the operation of the gas system, op-rod and the way the action moves in the stock. All those moving parts must cycle consitently from shot to shot. The second issue is the way the scope mount attaches to the standard receiver (LRB's M25 receiver addresses this issue). If you're looking at a high end off the shelf M1A type rifle get an LRB M25. Better still get an AR10, no moving parts attached to the barrel and fully free floating.
You have to keep in mind that target shooters and the military have completely different standards when it comes to accuracy. A target shooter is looking for the smallest groups possible, whereas in military sniping accuracy of 1-2 moa is completely acceptable. I guarantee those navy m14's don't shoot near as good as a custom bolt gun.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that semi-auto platforms aren't near as forgiving of poor form as bolt guns are.
DPMS LR308 on the left, Armalite AR10(t) DND (Canadian military model) on the right.
The DPMS at 100 yards inbetween 20 km/h wind gusts. It would be calm then a gust. I timed it inbetween the gusts. The 4th shot I fired but the gust hit. The wind was going directly downrange, hence why the round went up almost an inch. 167 Lapua match ammo.
High end tactical rifle accuracy. IE Remington 700 etc. Not top F class or benchrest accuracy. They aren't benchrest rifles. You'd want a bolt for that. They are however exceptionally accurate and compare to so called "sniper" rifles in the same caliber.
Here's a target Fireball shot with his DND AR10. I loaded up some 175SMk. If he didn't pull the one shot it would have been a pretty darn nice target. Still very good. But he did pull the one shot. The rest went right back into the middle. In all fairness this was with a Fullfield II 3-9x scope and from a bipod with a rear bag.
More details on these AR10 rifles here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/533010-Thursday-with-the-twins-at-the-Mission-range?highlight=The+twins
The DPMS at 100 yards inbetween 20 km/h wind gusts. It would be calm then a gust. I timed it inbetween the gusts. The 4th shot I fired but the gust hit. The wind was going directly downrange, hence why the round went up almost an inch. 167 Lapua match ammo.
High end tactical rifle accuracy. IE Remington 700 etc. Not top F class or benchrest accuracy. They aren't benchrest rifles. You'd want a bolt for that. They are however exceptionally accurate and compare to so called "sniper" rifles in the same caliber.
Here's a target Fireball shot with his DND AR10. I loaded up some 175SMk. If he didn't pull the one shot it would have been a pretty darn nice target. Still very good. But he did pull the one shot. The rest went right back into the middle. In all fairness this was with a Fullfield II 3-9x scope and from a bipod with a rear bag.
More details on these AR10 rifles here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/533010-Thursday-with-the-twins-at-the-Mission-range?highlight=The+twins
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