Anyone remembering using Kling Kor bullets?
- Thread starter Canuck Bob
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I remember the Dominion KKSP well, especially the .303, 215 gr. RN, and the Copper Point Expanding in 180 gr. Great Stuff , and all I ever used !! I Sure wish, it was Still out there !!
Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Yukon
Like these ones?
160 gr KKSP. There have been a few big moose put in the freezer up here with these ahead of 58 gr of the old H4831.
Ted
Shot a moose with these same bullets in my .270 when I was a teenager. Worked great. They dissapeared right after that I think...
Yup before the magic of TTSXs and GTXs, super talons and failsafes, animals actually died from being hit by those KKSPs. Yup, died right there if you hit 'em right, they wouldn't today. Come to think of it, even before that, they eliminated the buffalo using bullets made from pure lead only, today that wouldn't kill anything. I think that back in the day, Billy and the boys got the idea of long range buffalo shooting from watching Best of the West on T.V.
That's great Ben!!!
I shoot a lefty flintlock Lyman Deerstalker in 54 cal. That 230 gr ball bounces off whitetails I'm told because of its horrible BC and SD. My 32 Special is a marginal deer rifle and should never be used on a moose in a swamp. 45-70 owners tell me my 444 Marlin is a poor big animal rifle unsuited to bear protection in the rockies.
People place me in the handicap class when I admit I don't like bolt action rifles and scopes even a little bit. I am a dinosaur but I can still hit what I aim at and my bullets work great because they aren't starting at 3200 fps and still ripping along at 70 paces. I also have no desire to shoot living creatures past 150 paces unless thier shooting back.
My main desire was to find out if these KKSPs are rapid expanders or a little tougher. It seems they are a reasonably tough bullet which I prefer. A guy does occasionally whack a bone. The discussion about the old 215gr 303 ammo brought back memories. It was all my family used on the homestead in Northern Alberta after the war.
I shoot a lefty flintlock Lyman Deerstalker in 54 cal. That 230 gr ball bounces off whitetails I'm told because of its horrible BC and SD. My 32 Special is a marginal deer rifle and should never be used on a moose in a swamp. 45-70 owners tell me my 444 Marlin is a poor big animal rifle unsuited to bear protection in the rockies.
People place me in the handicap class when I admit I don't like bolt action rifles and scopes even a little bit. I am a dinosaur but I can still hit what I aim at and my bullets work great because they aren't starting at 3200 fps and still ripping along at 70 paces. I also have no desire to shoot living creatures past 150 paces unless thier shooting back.
My main desire was to find out if these KKSPs are rapid expanders or a little tougher. It seems they are a reasonably tough bullet which I prefer. A guy does occasionally whack a bone. The discussion about the old 215gr 303 ammo brought back memories. It was all my family used on the homestead in Northern Alberta after the war.
I have learned a lot about our industry leading inventions from this research. Consensus here and the Alberta forum suggests a fairly tough bullet with good terminal performance.
The Dominion-CIL-IVI folks really surprised me. I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know about the outstanding inventions in bullets decades ahead of the rest I think. The KKSP sees like an early Interlock, Sabre Tip like all the "new" polymer tips, they had Copper Points, Pneumatic Points, special seal loads, etc.. Revolutionary and often uniquely Canadian. Its too bad almost everything a Canadian shooter needs comes from some other country today. The Avro Arrow isn't the only sad industrial story.
The Dominion-CIL-IVI folks really surprised me. I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know about the outstanding inventions in bullets decades ahead of the rest I think. The KKSP sees like an early Interlock, Sabre Tip like all the "new" polymer tips, they had Copper Points, Pneumatic Points, special seal loads, etc.. Revolutionary and often uniquely Canadian. Its too bad almost everything a Canadian shooter needs comes from some other country today. The Avro Arrow isn't the only sad industrial story.
Canuck Bo
I even remember "topedo stop ring" and "stark mantle" Euro bullets, in their day they held the same magic as today's TTSX bullets. You just had to shoot in the animals direction and they dropped instantly, the bullet put out shock waves that incapacitated the animal even if it wasn't hit.
Like the TTSX bullets they could sense the size of the animal, if the animal was small, they expanded quickly, if the animal was large, they expanded slowly for complete penetration. What chance did the Kling-kore have, competing against that??
I even remember "topedo stop ring" and "stark mantle" Euro bullets, in their day they held the same magic as today's TTSX bullets. You just had to shoot in the animals direction and they dropped instantly, the bullet put out shock waves that incapacitated the animal even if it wasn't hit. Like the TTSX bullets they could sense the size of the animal, if the animal was small, they expanded quickly, if the animal was large, they expanded slowly for complete penetration. What chance did the Kling-kore have, competing against that??
gunsmith1951
Regular
- Location
- Fort McMurray
Yep following the path of the AVRO ARROW pounded into nothingness by our own government.
There were a lot of good bullets available in the 1950s. Besides the Canadian made, there were high quality Norma bullets and ammo, widely distributed. There were premium German bullets, one I know was a made by RWS, something like a Nosler, it was highly thought of.
Herters had a ong line of bullets. I have a 1961 catalogue. In the 1961 catalogue their common bullet sold for $3.30 a hundred for 270, 130 grain. In Herters later years they had a store between Seattle and Portland, which I was at the odd time. In the mid 70's I bought their low priced bullets for the 270 and 243 and the price was still 3.30 for the 243, still have a box so marked, and the 270s may have been the same price. These bullets had good accuracy in my rifles and I won some medals with them, shooting to 300 yards.
Heters best bullet was a partition design, the spitting image of Nosler. The 30 calibre 180 grain sold for $6.86 a hundred.
Herters had a ong line of bullets. I have a 1961 catalogue. In the 1961 catalogue their common bullet sold for $3.30 a hundred for 270, 130 grain. In Herters later years they had a store between Seattle and Portland, which I was at the odd time. In the mid 70's I bought their low priced bullets for the 270 and 243 and the price was still 3.30 for the 243, still have a box so marked, and the 270s may have been the same price. These bullets had good accuracy in my rifles and I won some medals with them, shooting to 300 yards.
Heters best bullet was a partition design, the spitting image of Nosler. The 30 calibre 180 grain sold for $6.86 a hundred.
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I`m pretty sure most of you guys will remember gevelot ammo. Used to burn up lots of 22 shell on gophers as a kid, lots of the shot shell to. Still have a couple of those plastic shotshell holders they came in. Never got to use much of the rifle ammo, mostly we had Dominion and CIL.
We used the 200gr KKSPs in the 30-06 this fall and they worked just like Bruce said... very well at the closer ranges. We stalked to within 80 yds of my bull and one shot planted him faster than any elk I have ever seen go down. Still had over 80% weight retention if I recall. Glad they work well, makes the hoard of them in the hutch seem more worthwhile having.
Did they make a KK for 25 cal?
Did they make a KK for 25 cal?
Sure do! They were set up in Saskatchewan, and had some really good ammunition. I still reload some of that brass.
Ted
Our family farm was about 2 miles from the Gevelot plant outside Saskatoon.
Talk about Nostalgia!!! I can almost smell the powder from some of that old Dominion ammo.
I shot my largest bodied Muley with a 180 KKSP from a 30-06.
My first Elk with the same ammo. [may have even been from the same box, lol]
Shot plenty of CPE and SabreTips later as well.
Shame to see them disappear. I have a few 7mm & 30 cal bullets left over.
Probably have to load them up and kill something with them.
I have an empty CIL 30-30 box here, was originally full of 170 KKSP.
Price on box is $2.90.
I also shot a fair bit of Gevelot 22 rimfire ammo, and some shotshells as well.
IIRC, some came with nickle-plated shot in them.
Regards, Eagleye.
I shot my largest bodied Muley with a 180 KKSP from a 30-06.
My first Elk with the same ammo. [may have even been from the same box, lol]
Shot plenty of CPE and SabreTips later as well.
Shame to see them disappear. I have a few 7mm & 30 cal bullets left over.
Probably have to load them up and kill something with them.
I have an empty CIL 30-30 box here, was originally full of 170 KKSP.
Price on box is $2.90.
I also shot a fair bit of Gevelot 22 rimfire ammo, and some shotshells as well.
IIRC, some came with nickle-plated shot in them.
Regards, Eagleye.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I recall buying 12 ga paper shells, I think they were $1.99 a box. I think I used nearly every bullet style that CIL produced at one time or another, and actually the plain .308/150 PSP wasn't bad for deer. IIRC, my first black bear fell to 180 gr SaberTips from my .303. I couldn't get the pointy CPEs to shoot from that barrel though, and always thought that CIL loaded .308 bullets in .303 brass, although in hindsight it was more likely a case of an over sized bore and a bullet with a short bearing surface. I'm almost embarrassed now to say that in those days I had a low opinion of CIL stuff in general and gravitated to rifle ammo in yellow boxes; after all if CIL was any good, why didn't Field and Stream brag it up? As an aside, I recall having 500 or so .308 brass marked IVI that were a reddish copper in color rather than the typical yellow brass.
