Anyone remembering using Kling Kor bullets?
- Thread starter Canuck Bob
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"I'm almost embarrassed now to say that in those days I had a low opinion of CIL stuff in general and gravitated to rifle ammo in yellow boxes; after all if CIL was any good, why didn't Field and Stream brag it up?"
Boomer, don't feel embarrassed, this was a universal feeling. Those of us who can remember the depression era will know that we all had an inferiority complex. We felt we were hill billies at the outer end of the earth and every other place was better than our place.
I can remember how shooters acted when they got hold of a box of Winchester ammunition. Wow. look out game.
Then, in the hay day era of shooting and hunting following WW2, Jack O'Connor spilled the beans. He wrote quite a lengthy article on how good the Canadian CIL, Dominion ammunition was. He ended up by stating that he would reccommend that hunters going to Canada to hunt, should wait and buy their ammunition in Canada!
Boomer, don't feel embarrassed, this was a universal feeling. Those of us who can remember the depression era will know that we all had an inferiority complex. We felt we were hill billies at the outer end of the earth and every other place was better than our place.
I can remember how shooters acted when they got hold of a box of Winchester ammunition. Wow. look out game.
Then, in the hay day era of shooting and hunting following WW2, Jack O'Connor spilled the beans. He wrote quite a lengthy article on how good the Canadian CIL, Dominion ammunition was. He ended up by stating that he would reccommend that hunters going to Canada to hunt, should wait and buy their ammunition in Canada!
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Well I like this thread, so here are a few more pictures.
The first one is for Ben Hunchak - these are those fancy euro bullets that put all else to shame! Actually, it is also for Ardent...*using Jedi Mind Trick*...you want a 7x57...
And for Boomer that fancy yellow box stuff - although the chambering may be too light for your tastes:
And lastly, good old Canadian ammo for a true classic:
The first one is for Ben Hunchak - these are those fancy euro bullets that put all else to shame! Actually, it is also for Ardent...*using Jedi Mind Trick*...you want a 7x57...
And for Boomer that fancy yellow box stuff - although the chambering may be too light for your tastes:
And lastly, good old Canadian ammo for a true classic:
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
A few more boxes of 'old stuff' I have around.
What no Wizz Bang pics. Been a long time since we have shot some of this stuff. The brass cil was putting out just before they quite commercial ammo was brittle, a guy tried resizing once fired factory brass and every case split at the neck, 40 rounds worth.
As I recall my first animal taken with my reloads was a moose using a .270 with 160 gr. KK bullets over the original 4831 (58 grains). Trying for a Texas heart shot (in the brush) I was a couple of inches to one side of aim point. The bullet was eventually found during butchering in the front quarter. It was always my thought that the bullet travelled between the top of the stomach and below the spine to have penetrated that far.
Thinking hard I believe my first deer was taken with the same load.
Quite a few years ago I found 300 160 KK bullets in .284 dia. at a small store in Orono, Ont. owned by Dan Banting. Ben Hunchak will probably remember that one. I wanted the bullets for casual shooting in my 7mm RM Win. 70 Custom Super Grade. Unfortunately I could never find a very accurate load for this bullet in this gun. Still have 150 or so in the loading room.
A hunting buddy of mine has a stash of 180 gr. plastic point Dominion bullets. They seem to shoot well in any of the guns they have been tried in. I'll have to talk him out of a handful to try in my Sako 06.
Ah, the olden days!
Jim
Thinking hard I believe my first deer was taken with the same load.
Quite a few years ago I found 300 160 KK bullets in .284 dia. at a small store in Orono, Ont. owned by Dan Banting. Ben Hunchak will probably remember that one. I wanted the bullets for casual shooting in my 7mm RM Win. 70 Custom Super Grade. Unfortunately I could never find a very accurate load for this bullet in this gun. Still have 150 or so in the loading room.
A hunting buddy of mine has a stash of 180 gr. plastic point Dominion bullets. They seem to shoot well in any of the guns they have been tried in. I'll have to talk him out of a handful to try in my Sako 06.
Ah, the olden days!
Jim
- Location
- Saskatchewan
i like this thread too, and my addition is a picture of my modest collection of old 7x57 Mauser ammo. the Dominion 139 grain load was considered to be state of the art by Jack O'Connor. Unfortunately, this stuff is so old now I only use it for offhand practise and will reload the brass for serious work. this case of ammo pretty much duplicates what quality ammo was available in the period of my youth, CIL and Norma, with some American and Euro stuff for variety.
I kiled my first deer and a lot of other stuff with CIL ammunition. I do not feel the KKSP was particularly tough, but it did expand very well and always held together until it expanded past the crimped indents. By that time its job was done.
I kiled my first deer and a lot of other stuff with CIL ammunition. I do not feel the KKSP was particularly tough, but it did expand very well and always held together until it expanded past the crimped indents. By that time its job was done.
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No reason that it won't work on game just as well today as it did forty or fifty years ago. I wouldn't hesitate a moment to use it.
Ted
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Why not? - the reason is hang fires, split necks and deteriorated powder that corrodes the inside of the cases into green powder. Sometimes too old really is TOO OLD!
Really? I have some CIL ammo that is almost that old, and it performs wo a whimper. I will pull a bullet or two and see what things look like inside.
I did have some Winchester 25-35 that old that split at the shoulder, but never had a problem with Dominion.
Ted
I did have some Winchester 25-35 that old that split at the shoulder, but never had a problem with Dominion.
Ted
- Location
- Saskatchewan
If your ammo has been properly stored in a cool dry place with minimum temperature fluctuations, the powder is probably OK. My "problem" Dominion ammo was from an estate sale, no knowing how it was stored before I got it.
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Ted, I did think about pulling the bullets, discarding the powder, and annealing the brass. But I just don't don't think those bullets are very special. Instead I did a lot of offhand practise at my 100yd gong. 2 hang fires that had to be carefully handled made me glad that I didn't take that stuff hunting. I then checked cases for neck cracks, threw out a few, annealed and polished the brass. I'm sure I will be happy and confident with the rejuvenated brass and the modern bullets and fresh primers and stable powder loaded in it. H4350, Rem 9-1/2's and Speer 160 mag tips at 2600 fps have been shooting well.
Sabretip.
The first plastic pointed projectile ever.
Ahead of their time.
Took down the only really massive buck I've ever shot. 30 years ago.
So big was he, that a gang of hunters were waiting at the truck for a look-a-see, when we finally got him hauled that long mile out. And just how they got word, I'll never know. No cells back then. Eh?.
He came straight at me, 15 yds or so, .303/180gr.. Took out the shoulder joint, top of the heart, spine, and exited middle back. Plenty of penetration, from just off the muzzle.
Wish I had a stash of that ammo.
The first plastic pointed projectile ever.
Ahead of their time.
Took down the only really massive buck I've ever shot. 30 years ago.
So big was he, that a gang of hunters were waiting at the truck for a look-a-see, when we finally got him hauled that long mile out. And just how they got word, I'll never know. No cells back then. Eh?.
He came straight at me, 15 yds or so, .303/180gr.. Took out the shoulder joint, top of the heart, spine, and exited middle back. Plenty of penetration, from just off the muzzle.
Wish I had a stash of that ammo.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Not too long ago, I picked up a few 'goodie' and not easy to access bullets to shoot. Some 200gr Winchester Silvertip bullets for my model 71 Winchester in 348 WCF. And from Ted, when I purchased a Husqvarna in 358 NM, I got some nolonger available Hornady 275gr RN. I'll have to save them for a special hunt.
