now that im reloading i want to eventually stretch the legs of my r700. right now im using amax 178gr bullets with imr 4350 powder at 54.5 gr, i find the gun to be the most accurate this way out to 100 yards, havent tried 200 yet but next time out i will to see how she shoots. id like to try my hand out to 500 and beyond if my scope will allow me to aim it down that far. im wondering what kind of powder and bullet combinations you guys are using in this caliber or if you have any suggestions, lighter bullet perhaps, or a tried and tested powder. ive got no problem buying other items and mixing and matching them together as per the books guide lines but if i can get some feedback from guys who have found a successful recipe it may narrow down my search a little.
anyone shoot 30.06 long range?
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ultimate_monkey
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IIRC the 30-06 is basically the same balistics as the .308 win. so i dont see why you would have a problem matching the .308 guys. as far as powder and bullet go it will be what your rifle likes, so its a bit of trial and error so i cant hel ya there, bullet weight should be matched with twist tho, some will say use a heavy bullet to buck the wind, other say light bullet and higher velocity, they both work and both have down falls so thats partly up to you to decide what u want to use
thanks for the reply, i cant remember what the twist of my factory barrel is, i wanna say 1:10, which is what the 178gr im using now are rated for, i found some 165 gr bullets but theyre listed for 1:12 or faster. so would that mean id be able to use it in a 1:10 twist barrel?
i know a couple of 308 guys ive talked to said their guns were the most accurate with a 165gr bullet so maybe ill grab a box of those and see how that works for me and do some load development for that. im gonna check in my book and see what the velocities call for for a 165 gr amax, i know the max the 178 is showing is 2700 fps
i know a couple of 308 guys ive talked to said their guns were the most accurate with a 165gr bullet so maybe ill grab a box of those and see how that works for me and do some load development for that. im gonna check in my book and see what the velocities call for for a 165 gr amax, i know the max the 178 is showing is 2700 fps
ultimate_monkey
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yes you will be fine with the 165s in a 1:10, its pretty hard to "over spin" a bullet, expecially in the 30 cal range,
good to know thanks. ill grab a box next time im out and see how they work for me.
why is it that the 165gr bullet is more expensive than the heavier and lighter bullets? even while shopping at crappy tire anything in 165gr seems to cost more than 180 or 150 gr.
why is it that the 165gr bullet is more expensive than the heavier and lighter bullets? even while shopping at crappy tire anything in 165gr seems to cost more than 180 or 150 gr.
Mystic Precision
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Please note that the bullet continues happily out to at least 1 mile.
Hope that is far enough.
Load tuning tips on my website in the TECH section.
Jerry
Hope that is far enough.
Load tuning tips on my website in the TECH section.
Jerry
thanks jerry good to know, ill take a look on your site for sure
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The 7 Mystic is based off the 30-06 but I can't find much on it... (hint hint 
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)Mystic Precision
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280improved with the shoulder moved to the same location as on a 7RM case. Use a 40deg shoulder reamer.
Moves the throat out longer to suit the 180gr Berger VLD's nicely
Case volume is pretty much a RSAUM and performance is near identical.
This was during the 'NO MAGNUM' F open days.
Jerry
Moves the throat out longer to suit the 180gr Berger VLD's nicely
Case volume is pretty much a RSAUM and performance is near identical.
This was during the 'NO MAGNUM' F open days.
Jerry
i took a look at your site and found some articles, some really good information in them, thanks for taking the time to put them together, i took a quick look through them but ill read them tomorrow in depth when my brain is able to absorb the info better
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For many years the .30/06 was the Wimbledon Cup cartridge, until the advent of the .300 magnums. US military snipers used the cartridge with great success right up until the late 1960s in various versions of the 1903 Springfield, M-1D Garands, and M-70 target rifles, not to mention the M-17 sniper rifles issued with the earliest telescopic sights during the First World War. The most celebrated of these snipers was Gunnery Sargent Carlos Hathcock USMC, credited with 92 kills, made mostly with his M-70 .30/06 during the Vietnam War. Hathcock's battlefield zero was for 700 yards! That should cover the long range attributes of the .30/06.
When I decided I wanted to try long range shooting, it was with a .30/06 M-17 Enfield and a 3-9X40 hunting scope. I could keep 5 rounds on a 12" target at 850 yards on demand on a calm day with good light and no mirage. I was able to get hits on targets (18"X30") out to 1500 yards using sighting targets set on eskers high above my impact target. Yes I did lots of missing too, but I've often wondered what that rifle could have done with a modern long range scope.
There's a common belief that a .308 will be more accurate than a .30/06, but I believe that has more to do with the individual rifle than it does with the cartridge, and I doubt that any real difference in accuracy could be utilized in practical terms. There is also a belief that the .308 is a ballistic twin of the .30/06, but this does not apply to heavy for caliber bullets which when loaded in the .30/06 exceed the .308 ballistics by a significant margin, particularly if we ignore the 48000 psi pressure limit and load it to .308 pressures. My current target rifle is a .308, but from time to time I wish I had held out for a long action and a .30/06.
When I decided I wanted to try long range shooting, it was with a .30/06 M-17 Enfield and a 3-9X40 hunting scope. I could keep 5 rounds on a 12" target at 850 yards on demand on a calm day with good light and no mirage. I was able to get hits on targets (18"X30") out to 1500 yards using sighting targets set on eskers high above my impact target. Yes I did lots of missing too, but I've often wondered what that rifle could have done with a modern long range scope.
There's a common belief that a .308 will be more accurate than a .30/06, but I believe that has more to do with the individual rifle than it does with the cartridge, and I doubt that any real difference in accuracy could be utilized in practical terms. There is also a belief that the .308 is a ballistic twin of the .30/06, but this does not apply to heavy for caliber bullets which when loaded in the .30/06 exceed the .308 ballistics by a significant margin, particularly if we ignore the 48000 psi pressure limit and load it to .308 pressures. My current target rifle is a .308, but from time to time I wish I had held out for a long action and a .30/06.
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The 30-06 Springfield cartridge is one of the most popular cartridges on this planet. There is information on loads that are used for Gallery Practice at 25 yards to loads that are for shooting targets at way out there distances.
If you Google "30-06 Target Loads" or "30-06 Match Loads" you will probably have more than enough information.
For targets, you might try the 168 grain Sierra Match King bullet.
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The 30-06 Springfield cartridge is one of the most popular cartridges on this planet. There is information on loads that are used for Gallery Practice at 25 yards to loads that are for shooting targets at way out there distances.
If you Google "30-06 Target Loads" or "30-06 Match Loads" you will probably have more than enough information.
For targets, you might try the 168 grain Sierra Match King bullet.
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thats some good info thanks, i didnt realize this was such and old and successful cartridge. a 700 yard zero is wild, and im sure with our powder and bullet technology we're light years ahead in accuracy over what they used in 'nam. gives me hope
thanks, ill try google and see what i can find. im going to a gun store on my way to work tomorrow morning, turns out its on the way so ill see if i can get my hands on some of those bullets or even some 168 gr amax bullets to load while i wait for my 178s to arrive.
