anyone shoot 30.06 long range?

GermanS1 said:
Uchi, the Sierra 190 gr. MatchKing and H4350 are the real go-to load for the .30-06. Once you have a good load there in your rifle, you can use it as the basis of comparison for all your other loads in the .30-06.
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Nice to know what your rifle can do before getting into a situation where there can be multiple variables.

The drive for lowering drag in bullet shapes is to help the average shooter find a combo that is more forgiving in the winds. We are hoping tech can offset some of our skills.

Someone like German, has a ton of shooting and wind reading skills to draw from. As long as the bullet travels in a predictable fashion, he can drive it. (German,hope I am not putting "words" where they don't belong)

Maybe someday, I will get there at which point all I want to have is consistency in my load.

Jerry
 
ok for 30cal I always like the heavy bullets(175 and up) but what could he 06 push the 155gr Lapua at?
 
Clatartar, you're quite right, I have a strong preference for "old school" bullets, but not to the total exclusion of the new ones. As Jerry mentioned, what I most want is a bullet that behave with utter predictability - and there is nothing quite as predictably, reliably, accurate as those big Sierra MatchKings and the Lapua D46. In almost any barrel and with an astonishingly wide range of powders and charges, those bullets will pound the X (or V) ring out of the target - all you have to do it get the windage right.

There is one other not inconsiderable consideration - cost. Frankly, as nice as the new offerings from Berger and Lapua are, they are quite dear. I shoot roughly 5,000 .30 caliber bullets per year, now I know that isn't quite enough to sink a ship, but it's enough to put a good sized dent in my wallet. Not only are the Sierras less to buy down at Bruno's, but they are really cheap when you buy them from fellow shooters who have switched to 6mm and 6.5 mm cartridges. I am constantly on the lookout for deals like that and in Phoenix, a retirement haven, have been able to stockpile a very large amount of Sierra 180, 190, 200, and Lapua D46 for an average cost well below US$0.20 per bullet.

Now, cost and ease of tuning are important, but I go to matches to try to win, so if they weren't competitive, it would be a waste of time money and energy. The simple truth is, however, that they are very competitive. I really only use the Bergers (BTLR) for our biggest matches (State Championships, the Berger championship and the like) where we have 100 to 200 shooters on the line and every little tiny, teensy weensy edge might help. Because, that's what you get for all the additional expense and effort - a tiny gain in real scores. It just isn't worth it for our weekly (and sometimes twice and thrice weekly) club matches where my main concern is to execute good shots and to test myself against the wind (while trying to win). As it happens, the old bullets are quite good, as they always have been, and the wins and top 3 finishes come often enough to keep me happy.
 
A 30.06 in a MDT chassis wen the long action chassis comes out wood be cool!
Any one know wen MDT long action chassis is cumming out?
still up in the air on 6.5 ,or a 7mm but a 30.06 look good to
 
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Looks exactly like the SA MDT just the center section is a bit longer.

Because you are using AI mags, you will be limited to what feeds in these mags.

308 family, 300WM family and Lapua family.

Have not seen any 30-06 or Swede compatible mags.

http://www.accuracyinternational.com/accessories_list.php

I am sure that with mods, somethings can be made to work but the hard/strong steel would make me nervous about this adventure.

Now if another company makes a compatible mag, let me know. There are some US firms making similar mags but have not paid much attention.

Jerry
 
30-06 ai

Ok so this thread got me thinking of my old '06 and the success that I had with it in the beginning. So today I ordered the Wilson dies, redding body die and found a reamer. Pick up a box of lapua brass tomorrow. Rifle is a P17 that has had a bunch of work done, new trigger etc. Barrel is a 1-11.25 30" Krieger axle. Should be fun. Just get rid of the white sh$t outside and life will be good.
 
everyone knows the 30-06 is an outdated cartridge that is passed its useful life. Modern deer and medium game have grown so wiley and cunning that it is not even adequate for medium game, As far as long-range shooting, anything over 50 yards is too far for the '06.

These days, the absolute minimum is a 300 Whizz-Bang Ultra-Mag Superwhooper that takes 400 grains of powder and fires a 350 grain slug at 7000 fps. /sarcasm off/
 
Papaclaude said:
everyone knows the 30-06 is an outdated cartridge that is passed its useful life. Modern deer and medium game have grown so wiley and cunning that it is not even adequate for medium game, As far as long-range shooting, anything over 50 yards is too far for the '06.

These days, the absolute minimum is a 300 Whizz-Bang Ultra-Mag Superwhooper that takes 400 grains of powder and fires a 350 grain slug at 7000 fps. /sarcasm off/
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i mailed you an envelope labelled sniff me, the powder isnt anthrax but has a mild smell, inhale deep, real deep

;)
 
I'll let you in on a secret, although I shouldn't. Trexler mags work very well in my HS precision stock, looks a lot like the HS mags( Probably because they more than likely made them for them.) and costs much less. Although any time I'm loading any 200 gr. bullets for my 06, I single feed. But a 10 round mag for 50 some dollars, well c'mon.

Oh, Welcome Mr. Salazar, You are the Man. I'd love to get some of your load data for the 190 / 200 gr. SMKs with H4350, it's my go too powder for the 06 as well, having tried RL22 and not getting the results I wanted...I might have had a part in the mixed results though:redface:
 
Werewolf, I usually avoid quoting exact loads because there are so many variables, everything from varying lots of powder, to freebore, bullet coatings, primers, case capacity - you know the drill.

However... with a moly-coated Sierra 190, in my chamber (PTG Serengeti reamer), in Winchester commercial or Lake City military brass, with Federal 210M primers, I use 53.5 gr. of recent lots of H4350 for 2780 to 2800 fps depending on the barrel (28" to 30").

Normally I use 57.5 gr. H4831sc with the 200 gr. Sierra, all other factors the same as above. If you want to use H4350 with it, I found 54.0 gr. to be a max load (using pressure testing equipment), so I would suggest starting no higher than 52.0 and carefully working up. Naturally, your lot of powder may differ from mine.
 
germans1, is 52 the minimum recommended powder load of the h4350 for the 190 sierra matchking as per the written guidelines or just what youd suggest to start with? id like to try some of these bullets in my gun with the powder you mentioned to see what kind of results i can get through them. also you mentioned 54gr's being the max to use. 52 to 54 is a tiny margin to play with thats why i ask
 
uchi said:
germans1, is 52 the minimum recommended powder load of the h4350 for the 190 sierra matchking as per the written guidelines or just what youd suggest to start with? id like to try some of these bullets in my gun with the powder you mentioned to see what kind of results i can get through them. also you mentioned 54gr's being the max to use. 52 to 54 is a tiny margin to play with thats why i ask
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Uchi, 52 is where I'd suggest starting, for either bullet based on my testing. This assumes the factors I mentioned above as well as a good quality modern action, not a Springfield or a P17, or a Winchester 1895.

If moly isn't to be used, 1.0 gr. should be cut from every number (min. and max.).
 
GermanS1 said:
Uchi, 52 is where I'd suggest starting, for either bullet based on my testing. This assumes the factors I mentioned above as well as a good quality modern action, not a Springfield or a P17, or a Winchester 1895.

If moly isn't to be used, 1.0 gr. should be cut from every number (min. and max.).
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thanks german, its a remington 700 sps so fairly modern, im just looking for a place that stocks those bullets and powder so that i can get a box and try them out.
 
hey sorry to take so long to reply, im in niagara. i picked up some 180 gr sierra bullets tonight and a pound of h4350, time to do some more load development. i tried some 165 gr amax and the gun at the entire powder range threw them all over the place. think she shot as tight as 3 inches at 100. then we shot some factory federal cheap box ammo in 180 and she buried some in the same hole in a nice clover. so the 165's are officially too light, although ill try loading some more as ive got them and feel the urge to use them
 
Last 30-06 that I did a lot of loads for preferred 150 gr bullets to all others. As it was used for hunting, I just used Barnes X bullets. During the course of the development I did notice that the only really accurate 165 gr loads in that rifle were right up at the ragged edge of over pressure. The one before that (I don't recall how many 30-06 's I own ) preferred 190 gr Speers, as does my most accurate 308. Hard bullets to find now days. My 30-06 Ackley prefers 180's. I am going to try the 208 gr Hornady bullets in a Savage I am putting together, to see how they work there. FWIW. - dan
 
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