Anyone Shot a 416 Ruger Yet?

I've killed game with both and the 416 definitely tears a bigger hole in the vitals and really gets the attention of larger animals like Bison or really large moose....

More than you need, but a good choice for what you want to do (grizz) IMHO. The worse the first shot goes the better the 416 looks.;)

FWIW the 416 Rem recoil is almost identical to the 375Ultra...More of a (big) push than a sharp jab though....The Ruger would be a bit less so.

I'm building a 416 Ultra if you are interested in going a bit bigger. I have a 375 Ultra reamer and Dennis Sorrensen has a 416 throater so I am in business as soon as I get my barrel and dies.
I'm shooting for a finished weight of 9 pounds for this one.
 
A 416 Ultra is more than I am looking for... even though I have a 375 Ultra and it is one of my favorite rifle/cartridges combo's if I go to a .416" rifle/cartridge combo it will be used mostly to replace my Marlin 19895GS 45-70 (thus my earlier question) for my remote area animal defense rifle.

I have absolutely no use for the lesser 375 Ruger/H&H packages that are available they do not have the level of thump I am looking for but I'm thinking the overall package of the 416 Ruger would be perfect for what I want.

If I went to a 416 Ultra I would be dealing with a load of recoil and not much velocity gain from the short 20" - 22" barrel length that I want and the muzzle flash would blind me.

I'm even thinking that reducing the velocity to 2300fps with a 400gr bullet would be perfect for my defense needs and I could load up a proper long range bullet when I am using the rifle for hunting.
 
Camp Cook said:
A 416 Ultra is more than I am looking for...
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I honestly don't understand why Remington brought out their .416 on the smaller case. The Ultramags must have been on the drawing board at the same time as the .416 Remington as they came out on its heals. A .416 Ultra would have provided many possibilities. A .416 Ultra could be loaded to original .416 Rigby levels with the same advantage of power at low pressure, or it could be loaded to .416 Weatherby levels, at a much lower cost than is required when purchasing Rigby or Weatherby brass. The Ultra round provides a degree of versatility and performance that is simply not available from the Ruger platform; the same way that the .375 Ruger Alaskan doesn't match the performance of my .375 Ultra carbine with heavy for caliber bullets that eat up so much powder space in the short case. The 380 gr Rhinos barely broke 2 grand when fired in the Ruger, but they happily chug along at 2350 from my Brno. Conversely, the .375 Ultra will match the .375 Ruger performance at lower pressure.

This is not to besmirch the .416 Ruger, The small dimensions of the Alaskan rifle combined with this powerful round will fit the needs of most who require a powerful rifle in the North American context.
 
Boomer said:
I honestly don't understand why Remington brought out their .416 on the smaller case. The Ultramags must have been on the drawing board at the same time as the .416 Remington as they came out on its heals.
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300 Ultra was released nine years after the 416 Rem Mag.
 
Boomer those are excellent points and ones I was thinking of when I was writing my last post.

Here is the advantages that I see in the 416 Ruger package over a 416 Ultra the rifle is just over $1100.00 including scope rings to buy in exactly the configuration that I like except I really don't like the Ruger safety just personal choice not dishing it or the Houge stock.

X-fan your comments about building a rifle got me to thinking maybe I've been going about this all wrong.

I have a made in Germany Voerre long actioned 308 Norma Mag that my grandfather gave me years ago and that I used for most of my big game hunting up until I replaced it with my 300 RUM now it sits unused in the safe.

The bolt face is exactly the same as a 458 Win Mag and seeing as I am not looking for a long range rifle/cartridge combo and I have hundreds of .458" bullets from 300gr to 550gr for my 45-70 maybe I should rebarrel the rifle, get a synthetic stock for it and get the best iron sights that I can find installed.

I don't know still thinking and looking for advise/ideas... :confused:
 
Camp Cook said:
I don't know still thinking and looking for advise/ideas... :confused:
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My advise:

You have too many guns geared toward bear defense, and spend too much time thinking about bear defense. :D:D

Your 45-70 or a .458 WM you have built will shoot through a cape buffalo with good bullets. Any .375 from H&H to 378 Weatherby, with good bullets is going to penetrate bow to stern on a bear. Your various pump shotguns and pump .454 rifle will blow the sheet out of a bear at close range.


Rebarreling- $400-$500
Quality Synthetic stock- $400-$500
Iron sights, installed- $150-$250

.416 Ruger Alaskan-$1100


Not much difference in "stopping power" between a .416 and .458 at close range. Longer range the .416 clearly gets the nod...



Finally, and most important:

.458 WM- **YAWN**

.416 Ruger -:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

:p
 
I will admit that I spend a lot of time looking for excuses to buy another rifle now that the CFC will only let me have two handguns on my ATC permit. :p

Think of it this way, I have a huge gapping hole in my s/s collection one is for something between 22-250 - 280 Rem and the other is above 375RUM - 45-70... :D

I've been thinking of a T/C Encore rechambered to 6mm-284 for the first hole and the 416 Ruger for the other then more ideas started getting thrown in then boom I'm doing more thinking and I am always open to suggestions.

Gotta love it... :eek:


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Camp Cook said:
Boomer those are excellent points and ones I was thinking of when I was writing my last post.

Here is the advantages that I see in the 416 Ruger package over a 416 Ultra the rifle is just over $1100.00 including scope rings to buy in exactly the configuration that I like except I really don't like the Ruger safety just personal choice not dishing it or the Houge stock.

X-fan your comments about building a rifle got me to thinking maybe I've been going about this all wrong.

I have a made in Germany Voerre long actioned 308 Norma Mag that my grandfather gave me years ago and that I used for most of my big game hunting up until I replaced it with my 300 RUM now it sits unused in the safe.

The bolt face is exactly the same as a 458 Win Mag and seeing as I am not looking for a long range rifle/cartridge combo and I have hundreds of .458" bullets from 300gr to 550gr for my 45-70 maybe I should rebarrel the rifle, get a synthetic stock for it and get the best iron sights that I can find installed.

I don't know still thinking and looking for advise/ideas... :confused:
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IMHO the 458's are not the best way to go.

The 458 Win is really just another 45/70 (albeit with more stopping power), but offers no effective gain in usability.....458 Winchesters sit in the safe for the same reason that the 45/70's do.
With the fast 458's I find that I need to use so much muscle tension (to control recoil) that any hope of extended range gets lost in the real world translation.

I would go 416 Rem if the action is long enough or Taylor if it is a short action.
I have a few hunting Nightforce scopes and will be going with the 1-4X24 NXS on my 416 Ultra. There isn't a tougher scope on the planet and the 100' field of view is more than generous. I think a scope is hands down the better choice for placing the first bullet and unless you stock the rifle for open sight fit a 1X scope will probably get on target quicker and more naturally anyways.

I will have a set of sights on my new 416, but to be perfectly honest this has nothing to do with function and everything to do with the errrr.......Bubba Bling!! :redface: :D
 
Gatehouse said:
Just take half a dozen handguns and screw them..

hell, how often do you get checked, anyway?

:D:p
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In almost 7 years of having my ATC I have never been checked when I am carrying my handguns in a holster in the bush.

and in 30 years I have only had my vehicle kind of checked once.

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X-fan I do have a thing for a beltless case which is another reason that I have been thinking the 416 Ruger...

does anyone have 416 Ruger brass and dies yet?
 
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I very rarely buy or shoot factory centerfire ammo actually the last time I bought factory fodder were 2 boxes of 300gr A-Frames & 1 box of 270gr RN in 375RUM from a fellow CGNTZ member 2 - 3 years ago.

Just 2 nights ago I pulled the remaining 36 of those bullets apart to not waste a firing of the brass and to save the 24 A-Frames for my own loads and the 12 270gr RN I'm going to use in my 375JDJ for plinking loads.

If I don't have the dies or brass I won't buy the rifle even if factory ammo is available.
 
416 Ultra...I wonder how fast you can drive those long pointy LR bullets they use in the 416 Barrett...and if they'd be so long overall that you'd have to single load the rifle.

Interesting.
 
People have been shooting the .416 RUger for over a year, maybe even longer, so dies are out there somewhere..

Probably have to order them form RCBS or Redding- since the introduction of the new rifles, at this point they are likely to be on back order.

Factory ammo will precede empty brass, you can buy a couple of boxes to shoot and make your own brass. That is how I got my first 40 .375 Ruger cases.
 
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