My morals, values and life standards would prevent me from using this cartridge or any other 22 center fire. Ontario government should change their laws to increase the caliber size for big game.........its the least they can do for big game.
Anyone use a 22 Hornet for deer?
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antiqueguy
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tell me how im wrong both animals are gut shot both will be lost and both will take a long time to die a .22 hornet to the heart vs a .50 bmg to the guts .22 hornet wins every time it mite not reach out that far but for me at least its not hard to bring a deer in to 30 yards
And if you hit a deer and it runs off post that info to so all can learn from it.
How about brute force? wound channel size? Either way a gutshot deer is not a good thing and shot placement is key but a larger more powerful round will cause more shock and a bigger hole and more bleeding and death will be quicker....
A .22 hornet to the heart vs. a BMG to the guts is not a comparison of apples to apples.....
What happens when the hornet hits a rib?.... Or are you advocating a hornet headshot?
I reckon an animal shot in the front shoulder with the hornet may be hard to recover or not recovered. The same "shot location" with a 150 gr. .308 would be killed. A shot a little far back in the liver may run off a long way and diie with a .22 hornet but would be severely wounded and recoverable with a more powerful round and a good bullet.
The old sayings "Its shot placement that is the only thing that matters" and "a wound with a big bullet or a small bullet is still just a wound" are not totally right.
If you can make the shot good on you, however you owe it to the deer to be damn sure you are capable of making that shot before you even tthink about heading out with any gun, especially anything less than a quarter bore where ribs can stop alot of the rounds dead.
antiqueguy
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nope im advocating a heart shot and only a heart shot this is a shot I've made dozens of times with a crossbow and it takes patience you have to wait for the deer to step forward with the front leg that's facing you then you take your shot
Brutus
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Myself, I'm trying to stay neutral on this subject of discussion. But comparing a crossbow bolt to a small calibre centrefire bullet, (for a heart shot) is too much of a stretch IMO. I argue that what could be done dozens of times with a crossbow bolt, is quite a gamble with the Hornet and it's usually utilized varmint bullet. Weaving a fox bullet to the deer's heart, means dodging the ribs at least with a super explosive bullet jacket.
I take it you are kind of unfamiliar with the .22 centrefires?
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antiqueguy
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nope have a hornet myself id use a something like a TSX and keep it under 50 yards I know most .223/.224 bullets are meant for varmint's and the like but there is a few different soft points that don't have super thin jackets
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the gold standard for taking a deer ethically 1000lb of energy? And as someone posted here they said at 100 yards that cartridge only has 400lbs.
antiqueguy
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you don't need massive amounts of energy when you stop the heart or lungs from working and the .22 hornet would never be a 100 yard cartridge for deer a 50 and under cartridge yes. but then again my .303 cast hunting load is only making about 800ftlb at the muzzle works well on deer idk who came up with the 1000ftlb idea but deer have been taken with a lot less for a long time
I have to ask, how many deer have you killed? And how many have had a rib stop a bullet for you?!?!?!
Deer ribs are not that tough......
Nobody is talking about gutshots here. If you miss your heartshot by a couple of inches high or a couple of inches back, your heartshot is now a lung shot. A proper bullet of appropriate caliber, weight and construction...or your crossbow bolt...will still kill the animal quickly and humanely. What will the Hornet do? At best, the animal will travel a considerable distance before succumbing...and you will be following a bloodtrail that is in all likelihood nonexistent.
This is the worst part of hunting season: the inevitable appearance of idiotic threads revolving around "Can I hunt (insert game species) using (insert inappropriate/inadequate chambering)?"
Conventional wisdom is incorrect...there definitely is such a thing as a stupid question.
Not to mention the benefits of energy , ie. hydrostatic shock.
I guess that I have gone from concerned, to shocked to incredulous.
As a hunter, it is your ethical duty to operate as humanely as possible. Hunting is much more than pulling a trigger at a target... I sincerely hope you'd agree.
I could cut your neck open with a butter knife, or a keenly honed axe blade - both will kill, but what would YOU choose.
I guess that I have gone from concerned, to shocked to incredulous.
As a hunter, it is your ethical duty to operate as humanely as possible. Hunting is much more than pulling a trigger at a target... I sincerely hope you'd agree.
I could cut your neck open with a butter knife, or a keenly honed axe blade - both will kill, but what would YOU choose.
Ardent
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I'll just be impressed if tactical870 comes on with a "Okay, bad idea.". Too often, and why I decided further points and arguments against it were futile is almost nobody seeks actual advice with these threads. Rather, they're typically looking for affirmation and support of an idea they've already made their mind up on.
Many of the provinces and territories have limitations for big game that start at .243 give or take, and that is very, very sound regulation.
Many of the provinces and territories have limitations for big game that start at .243 give or take, and that is very, very sound regulation.
A crossbow bolt with broadhead and a rifle bullet are two very different things..... Not even the same killing mechanism... let me ask you a question.... would you take the broadhead off of your bolt and use field points on deer just for kicks?
If a hornet were the only rifle you had and your family was hungry I'd say necessity trumps ethics, however if this is not the case I would simply ask.........WHY? Has hunting become so mundane to you that you feel a need to increase exponentially the potential to lose game? Are deer so plentiful in your region, that you feel you need to experiment with sub caliber cartridges and the potential loss of a deer is so irrelavent as to not weigh on you at all? Do you have the patience and discipline to wait for a 25-30 mtr standing broadside shot, so you can place it perfectly between the eye and earhole? Like Ardent said you're probably gonna do it anyway, I bet we don't hear about it if you don't succeed..............
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