Anyone use a 22 Hornet for deer?

antiqueguy said:
not really both can live for hours or even days if you gut shoot a deer. some people shoot a lot better with smaller cals then with these uber magnums use what you shoot best with

btw ive hunted for 8 years now last few years never lost a deer because I don't take iffy shots like other have said don't push the limits of your equipment or your self the .22 hornet would be a bow range gun for me
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antiqueguy said:
nope im advocating a heart shot and only a heart shot this is a shot I've made dozens of times with a crossbow and it takes patience you have to wait for the deer to step forward with the front leg that's facing you then you take your shot
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You have been hunting 8 years but have made the heart shot dozens of times with your crossbow?

How many tags does one get in Ontario?
 
NShunter1254 said:
You have been hunting 8 years but have made the heart shot dozens of times with your crossbow?

How many tags does one get in Ontario?
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how many tags can one pay for i normally get two a year a antlerless tag and a normal deer tag maybe not dozens on live game but i can count at least 6 with a crossbow and at least 2 more with rifle and at least 1 with a slug. and ive done it countless times with coyotes with the bow and .22lr
 
c-fbmi said:
If a hornet were the only rifle you had and your family was hungry I'd say necessity trumps ethics, however if this is not the case I would simply ask.........WHY? Has hunting become so mundane to you that you feel a need to increase exponentially the potential to lose game? Are deer so plentiful in your region, that you feel you need to experiment with sub caliber cartridges and the potential loss of a deer is so irrelavent as to not weigh on you at all? Do you have the patience and discipline to wait for a 25-30 mtr standing broadside shot, so you can place it perfectly between the eye and earhole? Like Ardent said you're probably gonna do it anyway, I bet we don't hear about it if you don't succeed..............
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If you never learn anything else on cgn please listen to c-fbmi
 
antiqueguy said:
how many tags can one pay for i normally get two a year a antlerless tag and a normal deer tag maybe not dozens on live game but i can count at least 6 with a crossbow and at least 2 more with rifle and at least 1 with a slug. and ive done it countless times with coyotes with the bow and .22lr
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How many can you pay for? - 1 unless you apply for additional controlled hunt tag

Get two a year? - If you are successful in getting drawn for antlerless it is an endorsement to your current tag... you can still only shoot one deer....

How long have you been hunting again?..... lol
 
Now you done it Tacki................
Man up and go buy back that super duper snipper riffle you just sold.
If you could figure out poi on this creature, you'd be further ahead.

Just how many brain cells did you consume on your birthday?

Chit disturber...................Laugh2
 
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used to live near ottawa and at the time 7-8 years ago one could actually get up to 7 yes thats 7 white tail deer tags. and a lot of people did so now the deer population in that area is much smaller as my family tells me.
 
Ardent said:
Sharp observation. Sad part a lot of folks will talk online advice from folks like that if it goes along with their thoughts.
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The grain of salt required to absorb information from internet forums:
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mossyhorns said:
Is it legal in Ontario?
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Here are the 2012 regulations for Nova Scotia;

During the general seasons for hunting deer, moose, and
bear, holders of appropriate licences may use:
• a rifle and ammunition of .23 calibre or greater;
• a shotgun of .410, 28, 20, 16, 12, 10 gauge, using
a single projectile; or buckshot having a diameter of
6.10 mm (.24 in.) or larger.
• a muzzle loaded firearm of .45 calibre or greater; or
• a bow with a draw weight of 50 pounds or greater within
the draw length of the archer when hunting moose and
40 pounds or greater within the draw length of the archer
when hunting big game other than moose; and any arrow
fitted with a broadhead.
 
jaydog said:
Do people really think that bows and rifles are the same thing???? That is concerning.......
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My point was that we allow bow hunting, yet people criticize the use of a small caliber. I don't doubt that the gun is more than capable if the shot is a broadside shot, into the vitals. Like when I bow hunt, it would need to be up close before I would consider it ethical.

SHELL SHUCKER said:
Gotta agree with this one......unless you're a skilled and confident shot, stalk your game to a sensible distance(25-75yds.),use the heaviest bullet that the rifling of your rifle will stabilize and put the pill into the junction of the neck at the base of the skull. Shooting with the rifle rested of course.(Standing deer,not aware that somthings up.)

A friend of mine got a moose with his his CZ in the same fashion years back....one shot with a 70gr. Speer.
Not recommended for the average hunter.:eek:
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The majority of my deer are shot under 50 yards. My bow deer have all been taken under 20 yards.

captonion said:
I have a chum who has taken a pile of deer with a Hornet from a stand... Works great for him because he knows the limitations, but for those who ignore them it wouldn't not a good choice.
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Thank you. I think you understand my thinking here.

Ardent said:
I love these arguments, Inuit, Afrikaaners... The guys touting this stuff do realize neither are stewards of the land, both responsible at times for shooting randomly into herds (Caribou in our country, antelope in theirs) and just picking up what falls down? They used / use .22 Hornet, .222, .223 up north because its cheap, not because it's a good choice. Thousands of animals have and continue to be wounded and lost, with far fewer concerns than your recreational hunter like you or I would feel. I was talking just yesterday with a coworker who's done years of Arctic flying, some of the stuff he saw literally made him sick, the complete disregard for humane treatment of the animals and ethical kills. It's a different set of standards, and perhaps if our surviving winter depending on it our standards would be lower too and we'd hose herds with .223. I'd like to think not.

Use enough gun, and practice enough you're as competent with it as your .22 Hornet. It is your responsibility, you're killing something, have the respect to use the best tool for the job not one that will just barely work under supreme conditions.

I have a small and disgusting collection of Wood Bison photos shot with 7mm Mag, .270, .308, etc that didn't work and they went off to suffer and die because people truly believed the arguments stated here. That is that all chamberings are equal with perfect shot placement; they are most certainly not. Even more different with imperfect shot placement. The Bison two days again, was wounded with a perfectly placed 7mm Mag heart shot that didn't reach the heart, and a 7mm Mag throat shot. I had to put it down with my .375 after it suffering for hours. The 7 Mag on Bison is a good allegory for the .22 Hornet on deer.
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I have lots of scoped hunting rifles that I could hunt with.... 6.8mm, 270's, 6mm, 7mm, 338..... Much like bow hunting, this appealed to me for the additional challenge.

track said:
My morals, values and life standards would prevent me from using this cartridge or any other 22 center fire. Ontario government should change their laws to increase the caliber size for big game.........its the least they can do for big game.
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In that case we better ban bow hunting. The 10 point I shot opening day had an arrow wound to the face/jaw from a local hunter who made a bad shot. He even told me about the 10 point buck that he "lunged" and never recovered. Far too often, hunters make improper judgements when it comes to shot placement, or are not proficient with their firearm.

Ardent said:
I'll just be impressed if tactical870 comes on with a "Okay, bad idea.". Too often, and why I decided further points and arguments against it were futile is almost nobody seeks actual advice with these threads. Rather, they're typically looking for affirmation and support of an idea they've already made their mind up on.

Many of the provinces and territories have limitations for big game that start at .243 give or take, and that is very, very sound regulation.
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I have 33 whitetails under my belt. The last 4 have been taken with a single shot from a 6.8 SPC with my handloads and they've all dropped in their tracks with the shots exactly where they should have been. I asked the original question because I believe that I can indeed take a whitetail ethically using a 22 Hornet, and I wanted a fresh challenge as shooting deer with a 270, or a 7mm is not a challenge by any means to an experienced hunter. Given your hunting background, I would have expected you to understand that.....
 
Superbrad said:
How many can you pay for? - 1 unless you apply for additional controlled hunt tag

Get two a year? - If you are successful in getting drawn for antlerless it is an endorsement to your current tag... you can still only shoot one deer....

How long have you been hunting again?..... lol
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I hunt in two different WMU's one allows me to get more game seals and for zone 94 I always end up with a antlerless tag
 
tactical870 said:
My point was that we allow bow hunting, yet people criticize the use of a small caliber. I don't doubt that the gun is more than capable if the shot is a broadside shot, into the vitals. Like when I bow hunt, it would need to be up close before I would consider it ethical.



The majority of my deer are shot under 50 yards. My bow deer have all been taken under 20 yards.



Thank you. I think you understand my thinking here.



I have lots of scoped hunting rifles that I could hunt with.... 6.8mm, 270's, 6mm, 7mm, 338..... Much like bow hunting, this appealed to me for the additional challenge.



In that case we better ban bow hunting. The 10 point I shot opening day had an arrow wound to the face/jaw from a local hunter who made a bad shot. He even told me about the 10 point buck that he "lunged" and never recovered. Far too often, hunters make improper judgements when it comes to shot placement, or are not proficient with their firearm.



I have 33 whitetails under my belt. The last 4 have been taken with a single shot from a 6.8 SPC with my handloads and they've all dropped in their tracks with the shots exactly where they should have been. I asked the original question because I believe that I can indeed take a whitetail ethically using a 22 Hornet, and I wanted a fresh challenge as shooting deer with a 270, or a 7mm is not a challenge by any means to an experienced hunter. Given your hunting background, I would have expected you to understand that.....
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And if you fail in your "challenge" what are the consequences to the animal?... Do you have xray vision? Can you see where each rib is and where the bone, fat, sinew density is?... There are better ways for a hunter to challenge himself without putting a quick kill at risk... I don't care how many you have under your belt, there is nothing manly and no bragging rights surrounding taking a deer with a sub par calibre... And the consequence of anything going sideways means a slow agonizing death for the animal... If hunting doesn't challenge you anymore and you aren't interested in doing it properly find another hobby... Maybe you have reached the ethical limits of what you can do in this sport...
 
Superbrad said:
And if you fail in your "challenge" what are the consequences to the animal?... Do you have xray vision? Can you see where each rib is and where the bone, fat, sinew density is?... There are better ways for a hunter to challenge himself without putting a quick kill at risk... I don't care how many you have under your belt, there is nothing manly and no bragging rights surrounding taking a deer with a sub par calibre... And the consequence of anything going sideways means a slow agonizing death for the animal... If hunting doesn't challenge you anymore and you aren't interested in doing it properly find another hobby... Maybe you have reached the ethical limits of what you can do in this sport...
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Everything you just said challenges the legitimacy of bowhunting. Why bowhunt when a 7mm mag or a 308 kills a deer better? And the 22 Hornet has more than enough energy. It is actually higher than most 357 Magnum loadings when fired from a revolver and many of us on this forum have called for handgun hunting to be reinstated. The Hornet has more than enough energy to break ribs and make a proper vitals shot on a deer. As was already posted, bullet selection is definitely important as varmint bullets are never suitable for larger game.
 
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