APC223 Non restricted whos getting one ?

cr5 said:
How can you be so sure this APC will live up to the hype?
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Every single reviews on B&T firearms are excellent. This is why I ordered one right away when they were made available. ;)

Im sure the APC will be the same. :)

cr5 said:
what I've read on this site most people who expect moa or better aren't capable of shooting that well and aren't willing to spend the money on the ammo a rifle needs to shoot that well and aren't capable of understanding why cheap surplus doesn't perform well in their rifle..
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I shoot cheap plinking ammo thru my Cadex and it's still groups extremely well. If you need fancy ammo to group well then that gun has issues. I expect right around 1 MOA with factory ammo just like my ACR out of the APC556.If the APC fails to deliver it will be sent down the road.
 
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Quick and easy to field strip.
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Two position gas system.
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Interesting that they did the wide rear notch and front post on the BUIS when they are folded down, nice touch.
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DILLIGAF said:
Every single reviews on B&T firearms are excellent. This is why I ordered one right away when they were made available. ;)

Im sure the APC will be the same. :)



I shoot cheap plinking ammo thru my Cadex and it's still groups extremely well. If you need fancy ammo to group well then that gun has issues. I expect right around 1 MOA with factory ammo just like my ACR out of the APC556.If the APC fails to deliver it will be sent down the road.
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Just out of curiousity what is your grouping with bulk ammo out of the cadex. And I hope you aren't expecting 10 shot moa groups with something like m855 or xm193 or norc ammo.
 
Looks like AR180 ish BCG. Typical short stroke design with all springs in receiver and not in the stock so it can have a folding stock, should be robust and cycle smoothly with all that mass in the carrier.

Looks good.

DILLIGAF said:
I shoot cheap plinking ammo thru my Cadex and it's still groups extremely well. If you need fancy ammo to group well then that gun has issues. I expect right around 1 MOA with factory ammo just like my ACR out of the APC556.If the APC fails to deliver it will be sent down the road.
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I understand what you're saying but my example to compare is my Rem 700 with carbon fiber barrel will shoot my handloads into sub 0.5 moa but if I shoot AE black box 55gr through it I see groups of around 1.5 moa.
Problem is that when you take a rifle that struggles to shoot high quality ammo into 1 moa that usually translates into 3 moa for stuff like AE or other cheap plinking ammo.
To me this is acceptable accuracy but the impression I get from a lot of the posts I read on this site is that people (delusional people) want a non restricted semi auto rifle to shoot 1 moa with cheap ammo. Even my ACR with Questar stainless barrel will only shoot 1.5-2 moa with AE black box.
 
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Did anyone else who handled the APC at SHOT notice the seemingly cheap nature of the folding buttstock? I don't mean the design, which is what it is - no adjustable LOP, but no better or worse than the Swissarms or basic G36 designs. No, what I'm referring to is the apparently cheap, shiny black plastic construction of the stock and its' locking latch. I was struck by just how out of place that buttstock looked on the otherwise good looking rifle. Perhaps I'm just being overly critical given the pricepoint of the APC223, I dunno. What I do know is the stock looked way out of place - like an airsoft part on an otherwise real firearm. The metal multi-position collapsing stock on the PDW both looked and functioned great by way of direct comparison....
 
The stock is one of the reasons I've pulled back from this. As a lefty, I don't want to be eating that hinge on every round.
The adjustible stock is over $800 as an add on...no thanks.
I'm all for new stuff, but not half baked and at a premium due to the hype.
 
I highly doubt that the hinge will interfere much with us lefty shooters, I'm pretty certain they did enough r&d with this type of firearm to determine that it will be fine shooting with either hand. Being Swiss made I'm pretty sure they've thought about everything
 
I wish the stock was more "in line" with the pic rail. I would much rather use a magnified optic with a traditional style AR mount than some ugly low mount rings.
 
Yah but why use a rds with such an accurate gun? A magnified optic would surely be better to make use of the long range accuracy. For me I feel like putting a rds on a tavor makes more sense than on this gun.
 
skatemike77 said:
Yah but why use a rds with such an accurate gun? A magnified optic would surely be better to make use of the long range accuracy.
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Yeah we're definitely hoping it's accurate for the $$, but I do concur: rds won't do much for my eyesight. I'm trying a low mount compact acog 3x for mine. Optical bore axis (I think that's the term!?) is only a few mm higher than a T2, so hoping it all works well together. Eye relief fairly short with this model acog, but no worse than my Elcan 3x
 
BlackVoid said:
Are you referring to TA-33? Can you remove the spacer between the scope and the mount?

I had the same set up with primary arms, spacer is removable but screws were too long, obviously. I had to get LaRue RCO mount.
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TA-50, low mount compact. The body is supposedly smaller. I've never actually seen one, just going off internet specs. Will post more info when it actually arrives.
 
Hihi962 said:
I highly doubt that the hinge will interfere much with us lefty shooters, I'm pretty certain they did enough r&d with this type of firearm to determine that it will be fine shooting with either hand. Being Swiss made I'm pretty sure they've thought about everything
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It is going to depend on how you get a cheek weld in every position you shoot in, what lop is optimal for you, and what you are wearing or encumbered with when shooting.
I'm not quite nose to charging handle on an AR for most of my shooting, and the short G36 fixed stock was too short for me as I was eating the hinge. The base stock and hinge on this is very similar.
 
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