They have already stated in the APC223 thread that yes they will be bringing in the 308 version but have NO time frame.for it
APC223 Non restricted whos getting one ?
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They have already stated in the APC223 thread that yes they will be bringing in the 308 version but have NO time frame.for it
Oops must have missed that. Glad to hear they have plans. It gives me some time to save up
Why not both? In addition to shooting it in the bush plinking, why not have something capable of being used for hunting or being competitive in 3-gun, Service rifle, or whatever competition one chooses to use it in?
'Should' is pretty definitive, no?
I'm likely not the only one who doesn't understand the logic of purchasing a quality, refined machine and then using ammo that has a track record of questionable quality in it, but it's your gun and your face...shoot what you want.
You want to shoot 6moa ammo out of a rifle capable of 1 moa? Shoot sh!t ammo that is questionable both in quality and the has the possibility of putting undue, premature wear on your firearm? Shoot off ammo to hear a 'bang' and feel recoil? Who gives a sh!t? That's no one's business but your's.
You want to own a Ferrari and bomb down dirt roads? Fill your boots...Just don't be surprised if some people snicker.
For me, it isn't worth it as I've had a gun grenade on me. While I came away un-injured, since then my outlook on ammo has drastically changed.
Obviously ymmv.
The analogy of using an expensive car on a dirt road is, IMHO fitting. Maybe putting crappy Chinese tires on it is moreso? Anyhow, you get my point.
American Eagle is brass cased, copper jacketed American made ammo. Not the best for accuracy, but still meeting minimum safety and quality standards, IMHO. I actually use it a fair bit shooting CQB and 3-gun. MFS? I'm of the opinion that MFS is the sh!ts - but that's just MHO.
I agree with this. However this rifle isn't a Ferrari. No black rifle is really a Ferrari. Expensive? Absolutely. But not a super car equivalent. It would take a $10k+ gun before I would make that comparison IMO.
Black Rifles where designed to be used hard in harsh environments. I like to run mine hard as that's one of their intended purposes. Now you bet if I had a Holland & Holland Shotgun or Rifle I would only shoot the finest ammo available through it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxDRb7yWnw (Great video to watch by the way on the craftsman ship that goes into those H&H rifles)
Funny as I've never had any issues shooting that stuff thru any of my Swiss arms or other high end rifles.
But these aren't modern hunter/varmints that have a list of stuff to do just to get them running. So I could imagine why some people would cry about what ammo they run in their rifles
If these rifles can't run whatever ammo I feed it then they aren't high end (except for the price tag) then.
I've seen more guys who reload have problems then any "garbage" ammo I have slung thru my rifles so to say it's gonna blown up in my fave is pretty ignorant on your behalf.
Let's just hope you don't sit on a cucumber next time your out shopping
dont worry Ill shoot 55 grain ae in it or some green tips, then when i want to print groups ill shoot some vmax
im not going to shoot vmax when Im doing a drill on steel
simple economic factors at play
i already need to do some pushups and curls for 2 months just to be able to point the thing, life in Canada...
I think of it combined as the total cost to play in Canada.
The added benefit is we get 40fps more punch than our american friends.
r34skyline
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Both sides have merit to the arguement. There are some production ammo of piss poor quality that I wouldn't run. That being said there is plenty of decent budget 223/556 like the pmc or remington umc or ae 55 grain that will do fine. Or if you can find it. Imi 62 grain is good value as well. No the groups probably won't be laser tight but it will safely go bang. If you want tight groups you can always run gucci ammo then. That being said I have seen norc ammo have surprising variations on the chrono that would indicate inconsistant pressure. Maybe it was a bad batch but it was enough to scare me away. I have no experience with the steel stuff.
aside from Wolverine saying maybe probable? no
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The problem with overpressure ammo is it's not a problem till your gun is in multiple pieces. The problem with underpressure ammo is you might be dealing with squibs.
And when mv varies from 2840fps to 3470fps in one lar mag on a 20 inch ar, that is definitely a cause for concern.
Did the rifle cycle every time? It sure did. Do i trust the ammo to not decorate my face with 7075 t6 aluminum? Absolutely not.
If you trust it. Great. I don't.
