AR-15 Plan

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Well looking at getting into 3 gun or something like that and am putting my ar-15 together.

Here is the plan:

Stag Model 2TL - Just waiting to see if they can get them in relatively soon
http://www.armseast.com/store/left_..._40l_or_troy_buis_samson_free_float_quadrail/

Specter Sling Gen 2 Black
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/7831/Specter-Gear-MOUT-Sling-Gen-II-Black.aspx

B&T QD Vertical foregrip
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/de...grip-for-picatinny-rails-Polymer-version.aspx

I am going to stick with iron sights for awhile then down the road get

Burris AR Prism 3x sight
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/de...-3x-32mm-Matte-with-Ballistic-CQ-Reticle.aspx


Any recommendations/changes from some experienced AR shooters?
 
So are you putting your AR together, or you buying a Stag 2TL.. ? :)

One thing I would suggest, get either a red dot, or variable magnification optic (1-4x), although there are some stages that require magnification, most of the time it's close range and fixed x3 will slow you down..

I had a Burris AR332 on my AR, and I like it, but for 3 gun it's not the best option.
 
Apart from what's already been said about the optic, you probably won't need a sling for 3Gun, depending on the rules of the competition. Most (but not all) 3Gun matches I have seen don't allow hot transitions back and forth between rifle and pistol. The sling will get in your way and snag on things if anything.

That being said, slings are generally useful, so by all means get one. I'm not a fan of single point slings though. Two point slings are more comfortable and also if you do find yourself doing a transition, single point slings tend to cause the carbine to dangle all over the place and potentially hit you in the crotch.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Agreed on the optics thing. A 1-4x scope would be better than a fixed power. I would recommend looking at the Vortex Viper PST line.
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Will do i was planning on getting the aimpoint patrol then save up and buy a side flip 3x zoom

mechanik said:
Apart from what's already been said about the optic, you probably won't need a sling for 3Gun, depending on the rules of the competition. Most (but not all) 3Gun matches I have seen don't allow hot transitions back and forth between rifle and pistol. The sling will get in your way and snag on things if anything.

That being said, slings are generally useful, so by all means get one. I'm not a fan of single point slings though. Two point slings are more comfortable and also if you do find yourself doing a transition, single point slings tend to cause the carbine to dangle all over the place and potentially hit you in the crotch.
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Thanks good information! I have not used a sling yet so was not sure of these details

Dmitri said:
So are you putting your AR together, or you buying a Stag 2TL.. ? :)

One thing I would suggest, get either a red dot, or variable magnification optic (1-4x), although there are some stages that require magnification, most of the time it's close range and fixed x3 will slow you down..

I had a Burris AR332 on my AR, and I like it, but for 3 gun it's not the best option.
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I dont have enough knowledge about ar-15's yet to complete my own build!
 
Ar180shooter said:
Agreed on the optics thing. A 1-4x scope would be better than a fixed power. I would recommend looking at the Vortex Viper PST line.
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'Not agreed on the optic thing...

Most if not all matches have "divisions" based on a few equipment criteria.
Optics and irons are not in the same division anywhere I've ever shot.

My advice... As always is to research the matches you'll be shootng and then put your gear together.
'Seen it happen often...
New guy runs out and puts together a rifle/shotgun with all sorts of bells and whistles... Or just one bell and one whistle, 'cause that's all it takes... And on match day gets all confused because they get put into "open" division and find themselves competing against guys who've been shooting open all along.

It's that whole cart before the horse thing...
 
Have a look into the Magpul MS3 Sling.

It's a single-point when you need it, and a double when you need that.
Quick connect snap hooks allow easy swapping between single/double, and multiple rifles/shotguns.
 
667 said:
'Not agreed on the optic thing...

Most if not all matches have "divisions" based on a few equipment criteria.
Optics and irons are not in the same division anywhere I've ever shot.

My advice... As always is to research the matches you'll be shootng and then put your gear together.
'Seen it happen often...
New guy runs out and puts together a rifle/shotgun with all sorts of bells and whistles... Or just one bell and one whistle, 'cause that's all it takes... And on match day gets all confused because they get put into "open" division and find themselves competing against guys who've been shooting open all along.

It's that whole cart before the horse thing...
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Don't get ahead of yourself there. OP wasn't asking about different divisions, and I wasn't answering that question, just stating that a low powered variable scope is preferable to a fixed power like the Burris AR332 for competitions (and really everything else IMO). FYI I was responding specifically to Dmitri. If you'd like to debate the merits of fixed power scopes over low powered variable scopes for service rifle competition shooting, I'm all ears... just make sure your response is relevant to what I actually posted.
 
I suggest the BFG VCAS sling, they are ambidextrous as well. A little bit pricey for some, but One Shot Tactical may still have them on sale.

667, has a very relevant point with the divisions. If you go to a few "run what 'cha brung" matches such as the Nomad match FRPC puts on your ok, but if your shooting in the team hoser events it does pay to research how to outfit your rifle for each division.

Service rifle, CQB, you run what works for you.
 
metcalfe said:
No.
All MS3 slings are ambidextrous... :p
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EvilDezel said:
I suggest the BFG VCAS sling, they are ambidextrous as well. A little bit pricey for some, but One Shot Tactical may still have them on sale.
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Thanks for all the recommendations! Price will be a huge thing as i have 3000 to spend this summer on an AR-15, Walther ppq, accessories, extra mags and ammo! And that needs to last from sept-dec
 
CalKid6 said:
Thanks for all the recommendations! Price will be a huge thing as i have 3000 to spend this summer on an AR-15, Walther ppq, accessories, extra mags and ammo! And that needs to last from sept-dec
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After you spend that $3k, you'll find more money to burn, we all do.

Think about a battle belt as well. Condor has really great prices on some decent quality belts/pouches.

I think a lot of Army Surplus stores carry their stuff.
 
I will just be using a duty belt for the short time and slowly work my way up! Im going to school and moving out and just really started getting into shooting! Bad timing but o well!

Thank god the range in lethbridge is a crap load cheaper than calgary
 
CalKid6 said:
Well looking at getting into 3 gun or something like that and am putting my ar-15 together.

Here is the plan:

Stag Model 2TL
Any recommendations/changes from some experienced AR shooters?
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Let's start with your base of the plan:

I'd recommend starting with an excellent quality 14.5" or 16" AR with a mid-length gas system and a muzzle brake (pws, battlecomp, et al).

Shoot some matches in it's stock configuration, and season to taste.
 
beltfed said:
Let's start with your base of the plan:

I'd recommend starting with an excellent quality 14.5" or 16" AR with a mid-length gas system and a muzzle brake (pws, battlecomp, et al).

Shoot some matches in it's stock configuration, and season to taste.
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Are you saying a Stag is not a good quality AR??? Please clarify
 
beltfed said:
Stags are ok, but ditch the idea of a rifle with carbine length gas system...if you are starting out, you might as well start out right.
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Okay! The reason I was going with that model is it had the quad float rail and it was set up for a south paw. Should I go with a right handed and add the ambi accessories or is there another company that does left handed models?
 
Good choice. And they will be back in stock quite soon.

I have to say it though. If you're a lefty, get a lefty. Right hand shooters who advise LH shooters to purchase RH guns should purchase LH guns and shoot them RH in fundamental solidarity with their opinion that 'the cartridge defelector is there to keep you from getting hit with cartridges' ;) Think about it. Shooting LH with a LH AR is a much more pleasurable experience.

To how good are they? Stag LH uppers parts and LH carbines are in use with the most demanding users on earth. The rifles include a lifetime warranty, staffed by what has to be the most under-worked AR15 warranty centre in Canada. Stag Arms has over 40 years of experience building for the M16 FOW.

Feel free to give us a shout anytime.

Best Regards,
Walter
 
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