AR-15s, M-16s, M-4s - Questions for you nutz.

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Ok everyone, I figured this would be the best place to come for answers. I'm interested in purchasing an AR-15, M-16, or an M-4. I've got a few questions that I know a few of you nutz gotta be able to answer for me...

1.) First off, I've seen AR-15s for sale locally, so I know they're available in Canada - but are M-16s and M-4s legally available as well?

2.) If so, which ones of that bunch would fall into the non-restricted, and restricted categories?

3.) What kind of price range am I looking at for the firearms that are (of the three above listed), in fact, legal here? (To the best of your knowledge)

4.) Out of those of the three that are legal here, which one do you most recommend, and why?

5.) Are there other very similar firearms that you would recommend to me as an alternative to these three?

Thanks alot in advance people, I'm just very curious to know the backround on these firearms (in Canada specifically), because when I consult other sources, I can never get solid answers.
 
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1) No, since your asking it probably means you don't own the proper licsence to own them (real M16/M4s)
2) none are non-restricted
3) AR15s (restricted) are just under $2k new after taxes and what not, but depends on the configuration you want
4) you have to decide on what kind of shooting you want to do
5) if you do a search you will find a lot, but prices differ quite a bit.... M96, AR180b,SwissArms, etc.
 
So then there would not be a single legal version of an M-16 or M-4 in Canada at all in the hands of a citizen/collector?
 
all AR-15s are restricted you can build a AR that looks like a M-4(fat handguards 14.5" Barrel flattop with carry handle)but M-16's are prohib...(full auto)

if you want a non restricted black gun....look at the SIG's,AR 180B,HK G36,HK sl8


Jamie Barkwell
 
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Curious said:
So then there would not be a single legal version of an M-16 or M-4 in Canada at all in the hands of a citizen/collector?
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yes there are those guns in the hands of Canadians, but because you are asking, i'm guessing that you aren't grand-fathered to own them (Full auto, converted auto, 3 round burst, etc. versions).
 
Curious

where you live??Maybe a CGNer can get you out,for a fun,safe day,day at the range


Jamie Barkwell
 
I'm in Toronto, in Northwestern Etobicoke more specifically, right by Pearson International Airport.
 
cool well its to bad..I was in TO yesterday and you could have come to the range with us at Silverdale...


any TO gunnutz want to take a newbie out??


PM him and set it up


Jamie Barkwell
 
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Due to the guns being restricted then, as several of you have said, would this mean that it would be monitored as tightly as a handgun, in that I will have to report to an agency whenever I travel with my firearm? Are these firearms allowed only at ranges?
 
Yep. Restricted = To and from approved shooting range. ATT each time you move it (get a Long Term Autorization To Transport.)
 
Curious said:
Due to the guns being restricted then, as several of you have said, would this mean that it would be monitored as tightly as a handgun, in that I will have to report to an agency whenever I travel with my firearm? Are these firearms allowed only at ranges?
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NO


it works like this....for anything restricted...

step one get your restricted-PAL buy the guns you want..(I would go to a club and join it and try many first to find the ones you like)then buy them...from Epps,TSE..etc.etc

then find a club and join the club will put you threw a ATT course (long term ATT)

once you get your long term ATT you can take your restricted gun to any approved Club in Ontario,you don't need to call anyone unless you are going out of Ontario....or to take the gun to get fixed...then you would need to call the CFO and ask for one...


Jamie Barkwell
 
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peckerwood said:
All AR-15 models are as classed restricted by OrderInCouncil...M16's and M4's and any other select-fire weapons are all classed as prohibited
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Not quite necessarily.

M16s are specifically defined under Former Prohibited Weapons Order No.13 as being a RESTRICTED WEAPON.

And this would have to be challenged in a hearing ( I realize that is not what we are looking for today in this post) but just "food for thought".:D

The rule of the specific outweighs the general, means that by name any M16 is in fact restricted by this OIC, rather than by the general rule describing converted autos, making them prohibs.

Again, just a bit for discussion.:)

Consolidated Statutes and Regulations
Enabling statute: Criminal Code
PART 2
RESTRICTED FIREARMS

Former Restricted Weapons Order


1. The firearms of the designs commonly known as the High Standard Model 10, Series A shotgun and the High Standard Model 10, Series B shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them.


2. The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) Colt AR-15;

(b) Colt AR-15 SPI;

(c) Colt AR-15 Sporter;

(d) Colt AR-15 Collapsible Stock Model;

(e) Colt AR-15 A2;

(f) Colt AR-15 A2 Carbine;

(g) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Rifle;

(h) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Target Rifle;

(i) Colt AR-15 A2 Government Model Carbine;

(j) Colt AR-15 A2 Sporter II;

(k) Colt AR-15 A2 H-BAR;

(l) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR;

(m) Colt AR-15 A2 Delta H-BAR Match;

(n) Colt AR-15 9mm Carbine;

(o) Armalite AR-15;

(p) AAI M15;

(q) AP74;

(r) EAC J-15;

(s) PWA Commando;

(t) SGW XM15A;

(u) SGW CAR-AR;

(v) SWD AR-15; and

(w) any 22-calibre rimfire va
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Jamie said:
cool well its to bad..I was in TO yesterday and you could have come to the range with us at Silverdale...


any TO gunnutz want to take a newbie out??


PM him and set it up


Jamie Barkwell
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I'm not a "complete" noob, I've fired guns before, and I'm not bad at it at all, considering how many times I've been out, and thats why I'm interested in purchasing a firearm for my own use, it's just plain enjoyable.
 
koldt said:
Not quite necessarily.

M16s are specifically defined under Former Prohibited Weapons Order No.13 as being a RESTRICTED WEAPON.

And this would have to be challenged in a hearing ( I realize that is not what we are looking for today in this post) but just "food for thought".:D

The rule of the specific outweighs the general, means that by name any M16 is in fact restricted by this OIC, rather than by the general rule describing converted autos, making them prohibs.

Again, just a bit for discussion.:)
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Woah ok. But, now in layman's terms, is an AR-15 a gun that could be legally fired at a cottage? (one that is well isolated from any other people or structures)
 
Curious said:
Woah ok. But, now in layman's terms, is an AR-15 a gun that could be legally fired at a cottage? (one that is well isolated from any other people or structures)
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nope do so and your going to jail...gunclub only


for the cottage get a SKS,10/22 or somthing like that...;) much much cheaper...


Jamie
 
Curious, the AR-15 has about a zillion different names that people use for it, "M16" is the US military name, "M4" is the name for the carbine. A lot of people call things "M4" that look similar to the M4, but they aren't actually M4s.

The only official M4s are the guns made by Colt's for the US military, which obviously you aren't allowed to have because they are burst-fire. There are a lot of gun geeks on here who are heavily in to the latest military gadget or widget, but in reality if you are a target shooter and not a gun collector or military enthusiast, you can simply avoid all that and just buy an AR-15 rifle made by a reputable maker. If you want to add bits to it, getting a better trigger and a scope would probably be your first ports of call.

A lot of the military stuff in civilian hands is only useful for posing or looking cool, e.g. the double-heat shield handguards, as they have no practical purpose on a 5-round semi-automatic rifle.
 
Correct. Restricted PAL to acquire/possess. ATT to have one other than at its registered location. ATT will be issued only for use at an approved range. Cannot be discharged off range, at a cottage, gravel pit, etc. The exact same procedure as for a pistol.
 
tiriaq said:
Correct. Restricted PAL to acquire/possess. ATT to have one other than at its registered location. ATT will be issued only for use at an approved range. Cannot be discharged off range, at a cottage, gravel pit, etc. The exact same procedure as for a pistol.
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Sadly. I was really excited about geting an AR-15 or something similar, I just don't want to be on a leash if i do get it. Are there any other military-rifles available in Canada that are solid guns, look good and are non-restricted?
 
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