Actually Stoner designed the AR16 which is the Ar180 but in .308.
Jim Sullivan did the work to get it working in .223 as the AR18.
To dream of an AR180 in .308!!!
AR-180B. Are they truly garbage or do they have their merits?
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Actually Stoner designed the AR16 which is the Ar180 but in .308.
Jim Sullivan did the work to get it working in .223 as the AR18.
To dream of an AR180 in .308!!!
Oh no.
People don't understand that the development in the mid to late fifties was all centered on the .308 round.
So the AR10 was the original design by Eugene stoner.
Equally so was the stamped and simpler AR16 by Stoner as well.
Now the US army had this fancy concept like project salvo or some such that they wanted to develop a small caliber high velocity round.
That became the .223 round.
Stoner started the development of the Ar10 into the AR15 as we now understand it.
A lot of the work was also done by his lesser known engineer by the name of Jim Sullivan.
There was a lot of effort to sell the AR10.
When the M14 was adopted, that pretty well fell through the floor, although some sales were made to Sudan, Portugal and a few to the Dutch.
The AR16 might have had five examples made.
The army liked it and actually considered it for issue to troops who did not need the infantry rifle.
However they just jumped on the M14 program with both feet and nothing was allowed to get in the way.
Both the AR10 and the AR16 were developed into the .223 round from the small caliber project.
Jim Sullivan did a lot of the work in the .223 rifles.
They became the AR15 and the AR18.
I uderstand that Stoner had some kind of relationship or worked for a while with Knights armament or KAC.
I think Kevin, here on CGN, who worked for KAC in Florida actually.
He found one of these hens teeth in the KAC lock up and put photos up for us here on CGN at one point.
An incedibly rare rifle. Maybe only five were made.
Stoner kept working away.
Sullivan was the man who helped set up the SAR80 and Ultimax LMG for Singapore.
There are a few very good interviews of Sullivan on InnRange TV that I recommend.
AR10 turned into AR16
AR16 turned into AR18 into AR180 into AR180B etc,,,
People don't understand that the development in the mid to late fifties was all centered on the .308 round.
So the AR10 was the original design by Eugene stoner.
Equally so was the stamped and simpler AR16 by Stoner as well.
Now the US army had this fancy concept like project salvo or some such that they wanted to develop a small caliber high velocity round.
That became the .223 round.
Stoner started the development of the Ar10 into the AR15 as we now understand it.
A lot of the work was also done by his lesser known engineer by the name of Jim Sullivan.
There was a lot of effort to sell the AR10.
When the M14 was adopted, that pretty well fell through the floor, although some sales were made to Sudan, Portugal and a few to the Dutch.
The AR16 might have had five examples made.
The army liked it and actually considered it for issue to troops who did not need the infantry rifle.
However they just jumped on the M14 program with both feet and nothing was allowed to get in the way.
Both the AR10 and the AR16 were developed into the .223 round from the small caliber project.
Jim Sullivan did a lot of the work in the .223 rifles.
They became the AR15 and the AR18.
I uderstand that Stoner had some kind of relationship or worked for a while with Knights armament or KAC.
I think Kevin, here on CGN, who worked for KAC in Florida actually.
He found one of these hens teeth in the KAC lock up and put photos up for us here on CGN at one point.
An incedibly rare rifle. Maybe only five were made.
Stoner kept working away.
Sullivan was the man who helped set up the SAR80 and Ultimax LMG for Singapore.
There are a few very good interviews of Sullivan on InnRange TV that I recommend.
AR10 turned into AR16
AR16 turned into AR18 into AR180 into AR180B etc,,,
What I wrote was a very basic overview for the noobs and uninformed on the basic lineage without all the intimate detail and on how we got to the non restricted rifle that we can own and a few of my experiences with the rifle which have been basically good. If any one wants to learn in intimate detail the historic facts correct on the AR15 and other related rifles such as the AR18 and 180/180B then they should acquire the excellent Collector Grade Series book "The Black Rifle M16 a retrospective" and thanks to all others who have chimed in on the 180B. Sure its not a battle rifle to go to war with but still a great little rifle worth owning and plenty reliable---Dieseldog!
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Iam keeping my 180b so ive started some modifications, i removed the fixed rear sight and factory spotwelded scope mount. Now iam sourcing out a picitinny scope rail ( 81/4) inches long which will be drilled n tapped and mate with my Midwest handguard and run to the end of the upper. This will lower my scope height and be solid . The only place ive found a close match is from Midway USA. If anyone knows in canada where i can buy a picitinny scope rail over 9" long and .400 heigh please PM me. Ive tried many shops and not one was any help. Also has anyone ever found a handguard that will work with the rifle ?? I have the Midwest quadrail but sure would like to custom fit a diff handguard ?? I think if length and inside diameter were the same it may work. Cheers Craig
oh yes you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
