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OK. At first it was "I'm getting a Stag/RRA flattop and I'll build my next one."

But after reading some of the more technical posts in this forum, and not having a clue what you guys are talking about, I figured I'd better build one and truely get to understand the rifle so I'm not a "Ford guy driving a Ferrari". And believe me, I'm a Ford guy.

Have purchased:

Stag stripped lower and LPK from Arms East

Magpul M93B Experimental from a buddy

Surefire RAS foregrip from the EE

Now just have to save up for the upper. Probably a Stag complete, as I don't have the tools to do a barel install etc.

Wish me luck. I will update with pics as I go.

QUESTION: BARREL LENGTH

Anyone have any preferences? Is a shorter barrel realy that mush less accurate at ranges no greater than 100M.

I lean toward the 11.5 - 14.5 for looks. But 16 seem to be recommended as the "all around " length.

16" I can get from Stag, but shorter, I have no ideas.

Hook a brother up.
 
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I'll say what I have recommended previously. If you have any sort of idea that you will take a training course in the US (Good schools IE Thunder Ranch, BW, TR...) , get a 16" barrel.

The ballisticians may be along shortly to get more scientific.
 
Get a short and 16" barrel uppers and swap them as needed.

Treat the short barrel as fun-use only, will also work better for IPSC/IDPA rifle matches.

Basically don't expect a 11.5" or shorter to do anything other than for punching papers at 75-100 yards or less.

Oh and go to ammo oracle to read up on ballastics.
 
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mebiuspower said:
Get a short and 16" barrel uppers and swap them as needed.

Treat the short barrel as fun-use only, will also work better for IPSC/IDPA rifle matches.

Basically don't expect a 11.5" or shorter to do anything other than for punching papers at 75-100 yards or less.

Oh and go to ammo oracle to read up on ballastics.
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An 11.5" upper is good much further than 100 yards. The muzzle velocity will be lower, but the rifle will be accurate to hit things out to 300 no problem.
 
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Thask everyone for your advice so far.

Chris7_62 said:
I'll say what I have recommended previously. If you have any sort of idea that you will take a training course in the US (Good schools IE Thunder Ranch, BW, TR...) , get a 16" barrel.

The ballisticians may be along shortly to get more scientific.
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That is pretty much why I am doing this build. Tac Matches and for training trips.


Big_Red said:
An 11.5" upper is good much further than 100 yards. The muzzle velocity will be lower, but the rifle will be accurate to hit things out to 300 no problem.
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Good to know.


mebiuspower said:
Get a short and 16" barrel uppers and swap them as needed.
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I was thinking about this, and now it's exactly what I'll do. 16" first, then something shorter.

I have heard that 14.5 and shorter uppers are sold to LE and Military only?

Does that mean if I want one that short I have to go used?
 
Blackthorne said:
I have heard that 14.5 and shorter uppers are sold to LE and Military only?
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I think that might have come from me, best clarify. :redface:

The US Gov, as of about a year and a half ago, will not allow less than 16" barrels to be exported, other than for sale to GOV/LEO end users.

In Canada, all ARs are restricted, so no barrel length limitations.

However, If you want to take your AR to the US, it also has to be over 16", or else under US domestic law, it is a Short Barreled Rifle, which are (for our purpose here) prohibited.

(That and the fact that a 16" is ballistically superior to 14.5, while still a handy length, is the reason that police forces in Canada who could get buy the 14.5, are choosing the 16".)

Clear as mud? ;)

Cheers,
DT
 
My 10.25 inch sings all day long and I have never had problems. I love it. Ensure you buy quality parts and do go cheap...that is where problems start occuring....ferrari body and frame but a chevette brake system....
 
dangertree said:
I think that might have come from me, best clarify. :redface:

The US Gov, as of about a year and a half ago, will not allow less than 16" barrels to be exported, other than for sale to GOV/LEO end users.

In Canada, all ARs are restricted, so no barrel length limitations.

However, If you want to take your AR to the US, it also has to be over 16", or else under US domestic law, it is a Short Barreled Rifle, which are (for our purpose here) prohibited.

(That and the fact that a 16" is ballistically superior to 14.5, while still a handy length, is the reason that police forces in Canada who could get buy the 14.5, are choosing the 16".)

Clear as mud? ;)

Cheers,
DT
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Gotcha..I get it now. I sometime forget that it's the rules on BOTH sides of the border, not ust our side, that have an impact on us.

Thanks!
 
Big_Red said:
An 11.5" upper is good much further than 100 yards. The muzzle velocity will be lower, but the rifle will be accurate to hit things out to 300 no problem.
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Sure it can, but that's like driving cross-country in a Smart car. It's not meant for that.
 
What do you guys mean by cheap. I have an 11.5 upper with RRA receiver, wilson 1/9 chrome lined heavy barrel and dpms bolt and carrier. I'm know its a mutt but I don't think cheap components were used.

Please clarify.
 
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OK..next update...

I am an Arms East junky it turns out. Walter has hooked me up good. :D

Stag 3R Flattop Upper (16")
Samson MRFS-CX Floating Modular Rail Forend
QF FFS Extended High Front Flip up Sight
ARMS #40L Rear BUIS

Now I just have to wait for the &^(%*%&#$$*&^% transfer for the lower and put it all together

The wait was bad enough when all I had was the lower coming...now I'm in HELL!
 
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Sounds like a good choice of parts. The transfer shouldn't take that long. That said, Ontario seems to take the longest amount of time. Mine was done from Walter in 3 days IIRC.
Anyway, make sure you throw some pics up when you are done.
Hoddie.
 
So what are the options for Canadians regarding carbine-length barrels for the AR15?

I see that the Stag rifles use 16" barrels with a short gas system. Can the barrel be chopped and threaded to get a 14.5" without working on the gas system?
 
Blackthorne said:
I am an Arms East junky it turns out. Walter has hooked me up good. :D
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MUhhahahahaahaha... welcome to the dark side.

Now here is the real question... does Maleficent know yet? hehheheheeh. I am betting one of two things - you're in deep ####, or, she's all over it like a fat kid on a smarty and you're never going to get to fire it...

...or both actually...

Did you ask Walter for a 22 Rimfire kit for it too so we can plink with impunity at the Beeton range? I think thats next on the list...
 
sgt_scarecrow said:
MUhhahahahaahaha... welcome to the dark side.

Now here is the real question... does Maleficent know yet? hehheheheeh. I am betting one of two things - you're in deep s**t, or, she's all over it like a fat kid on a smarty and you're never going to get to fire it...

...or both actually...

Did you ask Walter for a 22 Rimfire kit for it too so we can plink with impunity at the Beeton range? I think thats next on the list...
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Oh she knows about it...but I have handed over the finances to her for a while.

SHe loves it and even encouraged me to buy ammo for it today.

Didn't ask about the 22 upper, but that is next on my list!
 
OK..tranfer was done Monday..and guess what showed up today?

I assembled the lower with zero trouble. Don't have my Magpul stock yet but I am getting that tomorrow...

Just need my guy for the buffer and spring to get back to me and I'll be at the range next week!
 
One side note, if your going for a 16" make sure you get a mid-length gas system, if not, it is the same gas system as a 10.25, 11.5 & 14.5 and while you gain some velocity with the 16" you loose out on smoother operation that the mid gas system will give you and this is also one of the 2 reasons for getting a 16".
 
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