AR pistols = 10 rd mags
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greentips said:
Ain't that the truth!
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Hey I was just thinking what's stopping a guy from finishing off a 80% AR lower and registering it as a Handgun?
Well if things go as hoped the entire CFC in Ottawa will cease to exist and all that will be left is the group in NB to do the license stuff. That means that all the creative definitions and rulings will come to an end fast.
Brian
Brian
I think it's VERY funny you guys ASSUME that they will make the mag capacity 10 across the board ---Why not make it 5 across the board (handguns as well)
That sounds more like what a politician would do to me --not increase the limit but decrease the limit
That sounds more like what a politician would do to me --not increase the limit but decrease the limit
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Gixxer,
I didn't want to say it but that's exactly what I was thinking. Seeing as how the current Gov't has already cut funding for the CFC I'd say its unlikely but not impossible.
CF
I didn't want to say it but that's exactly what I was thinking. Seeing as how the current Gov't has already cut funding for the CFC I'd say its unlikely but not impossible.
CF
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GIXXER said:
This also crossed my mind too.......Shhhhh
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Lets see, as firearms owners we have been trying to offer reasoning since the beginning of the licensing requirment and have yet to see some positive results. Poltiticians don't give a hoot about you and I. They're concerned with getting re-elected so they can continue to make more money.
CF
CF
cannonfodder said:
Huh?
'Reasoning' as in why hold the opinion that 5 round limits are a likely result, not as in trying to reason with politicians re: gun laws.
That's quite the semantic leap ... I would be interested in any intelligent viewpoint on the subject all the same.
As I pointed out earlier, there are indications that the mag limits issue is beginning to move in our favour. Recent CFC rulings on difficult to categorize firearms appear to make the current mag limit rules meaningless ... esp. in the case of the Rem 7615. I think the worst case scenario for us is a 10 round limit, with a small but real possibility of the whole mag limit thing being turfed.
Why would it not suggest a turn in the other direction?
Four reasons: first, the CPC is more gun friendly; second the system desperately needs simplifying; third, its easier to remove stuff than add new stuff to a law; fourth, the mag limit rules are rarely enforced and have added nothing to public safety ... and after 15 years the public is beginning to recognize the failure of our current approach.
If and when the Libs return, of course, that's another story.
skycrane said:
Me too ... but its not my decision. I'm just trying to read "in between the lines" as it were ... I'm not advocating a 10 round limit as my preference.
It is still better than what we have now, though.
I think the perception of allowing full cap mags is still viewed as politically sensitive, so the CPC will be reluctant to amend it. Hopefully I'm wrong on this point ...
Gothmog said:
It is NOT "simple hatred and mistrust of the political classes"
Usually most people fail to view the optics from ALL sides
If you are the minority in charge it is easier and more expedient(sp) as well as more appealling to the masses to limit the mag capacity for HANDGUNS to 5 rounds the same as the rifles ,then to try to straighten out the mess that is being created by the current rules
At the same time it "appears" that you (the government ) are limiting the number of bullets that can be in a handgun so there is less of a chance that your local gangbanger can let off 15 rounds at once ----I know,Iknow ,it won't really limit it but the majority of the chowder heads that vote are too stupid to think on their own and will happily digest this pablum just like they have most of the stupid gun laws we have now
Trust me no one would like to see standard cap mags more than me but in our socialist utopia NO political party much less a semi right wing party is going to risk the wrath of the ill informed ,ill prepared ,unmotivated to find out mush heads that vote
This 'political philosophy' is all fine and well, but what do you make of the recent mag related rulings by the CFC?
I'd appreciate your view on how they might signal a '5 round capacity' limit. Personally, I see something quite different, as I've outlined earlier.
I'd appreciate your view on how they might signal a '5 round capacity' limit. Personally, I see something quite different, as I've outlined earlier.
If you could outline the recent rulings for me I would appreciate it
To the best of my understaning the CFC like to keep things "in the grey" and not give written concrete answers so to leave the gun owners open to charges and absolve themselves of responsibility
As I've stated in another thread it's all fine and well to speculate on putting Rem 7615 stamped mags (30 round) in your AR but I wonder who the brave soul to test this law will be as I understand it the CFC will not give a solid answer to this ( I might be wrong however)
Also it's not always the politicians its also the RCMP and the CFC who seem to prefer restricting to liberalizing the rules
To the best of my understaning the CFC like to keep things "in the grey" and not give written concrete answers so to leave the gun owners open to charges and absolve themselves of responsibility
As I've stated in another thread it's all fine and well to speculate on putting Rem 7615 stamped mags (30 round) in your AR but I wonder who the brave soul to test this law will be as I understand it the CFC will not give a solid answer to this ( I might be wrong however)
Also it's not always the politicians its also the RCMP and the CFC who seem to prefer restricting to liberalizing the rules
Well, as outlined earlier, they consist of the following:
1. use of 10 round pistol mags in a semi auto rifle (Beretta Storm)
2. letter distinguishing a "Storm" (rifle) mag from the M92 mag, clarifying that it must be pinned to 5 rounds as it is a rifle mag.
3. the acceptance of defintion of the new AR pistol as a handgun.
4. the definition of the Remington 7615 as a non restricted rifle ... which uses AR mags. Given #2 above, a mag marked 'Rem 7615' will have no mag limits ...
Now not all these are 'rulings' per se, but (at least) are now accepted in practice by the CFC. The final bit of #4 is the natural end result of #2, although not yet confirmed by CFC.
Even without #4 (which will throw the mag limit issue wide open) the availability of 10 round 'AR pistol' magazines essentially raises the mag cap to 10 for AR15 rifles (and other guns using the same mag).
This, of course will only occur under a CFC gov't. If the Libs get in soon, we won't need to worry about mag limits because they'll likely ban the AR15 along with other restricted firearms ... I don't think they'll stop at halfway measures like magazine limits.
1. use of 10 round pistol mags in a semi auto rifle (Beretta Storm)
2. letter distinguishing a "Storm" (rifle) mag from the M92 mag, clarifying that it must be pinned to 5 rounds as it is a rifle mag.
3. the acceptance of defintion of the new AR pistol as a handgun.
4. the definition of the Remington 7615 as a non restricted rifle ... which uses AR mags. Given #2 above, a mag marked 'Rem 7615' will have no mag limits ...
Now not all these are 'rulings' per se, but (at least) are now accepted in practice by the CFC. The final bit of #4 is the natural end result of #2, although not yet confirmed by CFC.
Even without #4 (which will throw the mag limit issue wide open) the availability of 10 round 'AR pistol' magazines essentially raises the mag cap to 10 for AR15 rifles (and other guns using the same mag).
This, of course will only occur under a CFC gov't. If the Libs get in soon, we won't need to worry about mag limits because they'll likely ban the AR15 along with other restricted firearms ... I don't think they'll stop at halfway measures like magazine limits.
