AR10 Or Alike 7.62 Black Rifle

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UPDATE : Thread has taken a turn and now looking for NR or R status .308


Im looking for some insight into the purchase of a utilitarian meat and potatoes 7.62 NATO chambered ( Non-Restricted ) Rile.

Im not interested in a M305 or XCR - AR10 or alike seems to be the path that I am drawn towards. Not interested in "fancy
' adjustable gas blocks and such.

Accuracy is a must, and likely the most important factor. looking to put rounds a long way down range. ;) Looking for a good all around rifle with dependable accuracy and reliability.

Im growing tired of having to take the AR15's to the range, and want to branch out !

Hopefully some of you wouldn't mind chiming in.

Cheers.
 
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dogzilla said:
AR10 or alike = restricted. You say you want non restricted, so they are automatically out.
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Or Alike, I have read in articles of variants and alike replicas that share some of the same functionalities, yet hold NR status.

loki_81 said:
Is it the "look" you are after or a true semi auto?

If it's the look the MDT TAC21 has it, and you can get a customized precision rig out of it ;).
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Looks are not a primary concern of mine.. yes, of course it helps to have something that looks appealing. However, functionality is key.

I like the simplicity of the AR platform. Few parts for take down, purpose built and reliable.

As far as being Semi-Auto, more of a preference. The must have, is a detachable box mag. However I have found few bolt guns that also meet the criteria.

berger said:
Kel Tech RFB

SG542
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Im not that familiar with bullpups, and doubt they would be as good at range. Most shooting will be done prone / seated with stand.

I'll look into the SG542 further, it had already made the short list.. and almost placed my deposit with Wanstalls on the weekend.

Thanks you for the info all.
 
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The vast majority of 762x51 semi auto rifles are service rifles, or function like service rifles - accuracy is not the first concern in the design of these rifles. The AR platform is an anomaly in that it is accurate. The vast majority of these guns are long stroke piston guns, this limits the potential for accuracy - I'd be thrilled if I got an SG that shot under 3 minutes.
 
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Any toughs on the Tikka T3 Both Tactical and Scout -versions Yes, not semi. However I would prefer something that I could count on at 200+ yards.
 
dogzilla said:
AR10 or alike = restricted. You say you want non restricted, so they are automatically out.
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This is not true. The AR-10 is not restricted by name. Modern AR-10s are not true AR-10s, they are AR-15s with the necessary dimensions enlarged to accomodate the 7.62x51 cartridge, thus making them AR-15 variants and restricted.

Real AR-10s would not be restricted if produced with semi-auto only lowers with 18.5"+ barrels.

Currently, no one is producing AR-10s to the original spec in this configuration. The vast majority of old-production AR-10s on the market are prohibited due to being fully automatic or converted autos. I believe back in the days of the NR registry, someone was able to determine there were 3 AR-10s registered as non-restricted in Canada.

True AR-10
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Modern AR-10

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AK said:
You must've missed the part where he said accuracy was a must.
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Lol !
Single three round group pics in 5,4,3,2...

For a bolt action, the tikka tactical's are basically budget trg's. They use sako barrels.
Very accurate, the example I have in .223 is a sub 1/2 moa gun. Typically use the shoot n' see 1" dots for 300 yard targets...
 
Armalite AR10A2 classic is an excellent choice. It is Milspec, accurate and reliable. In it's classic form, it is ready to go without worrying about optics and batteries. unfortunately it is restricted.
 
Arod you need to let us know if you must have Non-Restricted status or not and must have semi-auto. or not. In the semi-auto .308 category there are few NR semi-auto. rifles and none with the accuracy capabilities of an AR that combine the simplicity of an AR. The FNAR .308 while being very accurate requires a take down that is more complicated then most and much more complicated than an AR.

If accuracy is King you need to look at a bolt gun particularly if NR status is wanted. The Tikka Tactical comes to mind with a detachable box magazine, adjustable comb and offering very good accuracy out of the box would put it on my short list. If you want a NR semi-auto. rifle and don't mind the extra complexity, then the FNAR would be my choice solely on two facts it should prove an accurate shooter and the take down will get easier after much practice.

Otherwise if an AR is what you want then H+K, KAC, PWS, LMT, DPMS and Armalite are all worth looking into to name a few. I myself am looking into similar needs in my next rifle, ultimately I would buy an AR if it had NR status. However it does not, leaving us few options for a semi-auto. .308. Your need for very good accuracy at long range is the one element that makes it difficult for a rifle like the Famae 542 or the XCR-M to contend with and all the more reason to go with a bolt gun. You mentioned no to the 305, does that rule out the M1A by Springfield?

So NR or not and semi-auto. or not these are the questions you must settle, so you can make a decision and remember many bolt guns can be modified to accept detachable magazines. The new XCR-M pistol opens up a whole new option for .308 10Rd. magazines which is a very good thing.

Let us know what you're leaning towards.
 
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Zeroed-In said:
Arod you need to let us know if you must have Non-Restricted status or not and must have semi-auto. or not. In the semi-auto .308 category there are few NR semi-auto. rifles and none with the accuracy capabilities of an AR that combine the simplicity of an AR. The FNAR .308 while being very accurate requires a take down that is more complicated then most and much more complicated than an AR.

If accuracy is King you need to look at a bolt gun particularly if NR status is wanted. The Tikka Tactical comes to mind with a detachable box magazine, adjustable comb and offering very good accuracy out of the box would put it on my short list. If you want a NR semi-auto. rifle and don't mind the extra complexity, then the FNAR would be my choice solely on two facts it should prove an accurate shooter and the take down will get easier after much practice.

Otherwise if an AR is what you want then H+K, KAC, PWS, LMT, DPMS and Armalite are all worth looking into to name a few. I myself am looking into similar needs in my next rifle, ultimately I would buy an AR if it had NR status. However it does not, leaving us few options for a semi-auto. .308. Your need for very good accuracy at long range is the one element that makes it difficult for a rifle like the Famae 542 or the XCR-M to contend with and all the more reason to go with a bolt gun.
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we appear to be in a similar boat ! I am very much so on the fence with the NR status as an AR platformed .308 is absolutely ideal or my needs, or rather wants :p

I will take a much closer look into the FNAR as I honestly was not impressed with the XCR at all.. The tika as it stands is my fall back, however locating a 10 round box mag have proven to be a task in itself these days. At least at a reasonable price.

Maybe I'll just pick up an AR and pay every night that they become NR !

"H+K, KAC, PWS, LMT, DPMS and Armalite"
- - Are these your top pic for AR based rifles ? If only DD made a .308 ..
 
AROD89 said:
we appear to be in a similar boat ! I am very much so on the fence with the NR status as an AR platformed .308 is absolutely ideal or my needs, or rather wants :p

I will take a much closer look into the FNAR as I honestly was not impressed with the XCR at all.. The tika as it stands is my fall back, however locating a 10 round box mag have proven to be a task in itself these days. At least at a reasonable price.

Maybe I'll just pick up an AR and pay every night that they become NR !

"H+K, KAC, PWS, LMT, DPMS and Armalite"
- - Are these your top pic for AR based rifles ? If only DD made a .308 ..
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Well I wish I could tell you I'm an expert on .308 AR's, but I am not. I only can tell you that my past year has been spent reading and learning about a .308 semi-auto. rifle that I can buy that would be accurate, reliable and easy to work on, not to mention affordable ($2,000 to $3,000). The AR is my first pick, but I really would rather have a NR .308 semi. and that has lead me to the Famae 542 as being my first pick then the FNAR, but I'm still searching and have not ruled getting an AR and dealing with range duty only. Damn Canadian gun laws...

I am just turned off buy the XCR though many Gunnutz claim to love them, they just aren't an AR and I would prefer an AR having grown up seeing them as a young adult sets you into having a predetermined want for them.

My top picks .308 semi-auto.'s in NR status (that I can think of at this time LOL)

Famae 542

RA XCR-M

Keltec RFB (bull-pup)

FNAR

Springfield M1A/M305

You're probably aware of all these, but there aren't that many out there unfortunately...

Top picks for an AR in .308

H+K Mr.308 (oh so nice. but very expensive)

Armalite SS 16" (most likely what I'll get even though Epoxy would recommend a 20" barrel)

LMT (quality rifle, but heavy)

KAC

DPMS

PWS (interesting for the different system)

Anyways these are just my choices and in no way represent an order of whats best.
 
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