AR180b with a elcan?

pringles613 said:
specter is a little different it was designed with tighter tolerances than the standard c79 but just as you said, its not a optic you go and pay retail price for. given its made in canada and not china, id say it would be an acceptable optic in the $4-600 (if that) but not $1200
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That's not at all what I said. What I was saying is that I would have a hard time paying $2000 for a 1-4 optic, I'm not saying it isn't worth what they retail for, only that I'm kinda cheap and when it comes to short range optics I usually spend less, I spend more on my long range optics like my NF 5.5-22×56 that's on my 338 Lapua where that level of clarity is better used.

So you're saying the Elcan Specter DR is in the same ballpark as a Bushnell?
If so you may need to stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Perhaps you just need to pull your head out of the sand and price out other quality optics options. The Elcan I own is similar in optical clarity and definition to my Nightforce scopes that retail for over $2000 and noticeably better than my Vortex Viper PST that retails for over $600. I'm not sure what you are comparing them to that is around $400-$600 and of equal or better quality but I've never found anything as good for under $1000.
Any time I let someone try my AR with the DR on it they are blown away by the clarity and don't like what they see any more when looking through their Bushnell or whatever they have.
$400-$600 doesn't buy you much these days if you want a quality piece of glass.
 
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I sold my DR due to the weight. Its like strapping a brick to your rifle...lol... :cool:

But It never let me down and the optic clarity was perfect.
 
cr5 said:
So you're saying the Elcan Specter DR is in the same ballpark as a Bushnell?
If so you may need to stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Perhaps you just need to pull your head out of the sand and price out other quality optics options. The Elcan I own is similar in optical clarity and definition to my Nightforce scopes that retail for over $2000 and noticeably better than my Vortex Viper PST that retails for over $600. I'm not sure what you are comparing them to that is around $400-$600 and of equal or better quality but I've never found anything as good for under $1000.
Any time I let someone try my AR with the DR on it they are blown away by the clarity and don't like what they see when looking through their Bushnell or whatever they have afterwards.
$400-$600 doesn't buy you much these days if you want a quality piece of glass.
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first off nothing compares to a bushnell, except maybe a broken iron sight.
you are trying to compare military contract sights against military contract sights against a rifle scope against chinese manufacturing. you are literally comparing apples to pickles to hockey pucks... so compare similar pieces

spectre vs strikefire w/ magnifier
hell just about any red dot with a quality magnifier is $400 less than a specter dr
 
A 180B will require a base to be affixed to the receiver for an Elcan to be mounted. Drill and tap right through the spot welded on scope base?
C79 optics are fine.
Lack of ocular adjustment isn't.
Maybe Elcan has corrected the problems with the mounting system.
I can't see a point in choosing a C79 when all the other options are considered.
 
pringles613 said:
first off nothing compares to a bushnell, except maybe a broken iron sight.
you are trying to compare military contract sights against military contract sights against a rifle scope against chinese manufacturing. you are literally comparing apples to pickles to hockey pucks... so compare similar pieces

spectre vs strikefire w/ magnifier
hell just about any red dot with a quality magnifier is $400 less than a specter dr
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Lol, I'm glad we agree on bushnell, I'm only saying that if you compare similar quality sights the price isn't that unreasonable.
Considering how many people seem to base quality on mil grade anything actually used in combat and "battle proven" it always commands a higher price. I won't pay extra just because of that but I am willing to pay for quality and my DR is definitely better than any sight I've looked through that retails for under $1000. The only real downside other than the high price is the weight.

The strikefire isn't half the optic a DR is.
 
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JasonGTA said:
It would be very top heavy
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Yup, I was playing with my AR's yesterday after commenting here and even compared to my AR's with a 1-4 or my 9mm AR with an EoTech and magnifier on a Larue QD mount my AR with the Specter DR definitely felt the most top heavy of the bunch.

Let's get back on topic, OP wanted to know if an Elcan could be used on his modified AR180 not what we think of Elcan.

Probably going to need a cheek riser on the stock to get a good cheek weld.
 
I would get a low-powered variable optic instead of an ELCAN. This should get more functionality at a lower cost and you can choose suitable rings for your desired mounting height.

The Trijicon TR24 1-4x is nice. Leupold also makes a few different options, depending on your budget.
 
At $2k+ the 1/4x spectre dr is overpriced. And all elcans are overweight. Personally I despise the c79 any variant. The osx4 spectre should be around $800ish.

Sorry but with an excellent optic like the acog it needs to either outperform it or undercut its price. And it doesn't do either.
 
I like my OS4 and think it is one of the best optics ever widely issued by a military.
That said CF wide I would have replaced the C79 family with the OS3.0 as part of the A2 upgrade.
 
Gunnerlove said:
I like my OS4 and think it is one of the best optics ever widely issued by a military.
That said CF wide I would have replaced the C79 family with the OS3.0 as part of the A2 upgrade.
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Why? The reticle sucks on the OS3. If they came up with a better reticle I agree. At least you can range with the c79a2.

Why not just a widespread issue of OS4?
 
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