When I first started moose hunting(early '70's) in Ontario(28/40), there were only bull tags sold. It's not so much the shortage of moose as it is the overpopulation of people. And it will never get better when Trudeau is pumpin' in the immigrants at a million a year.
Are you, or your friends quitting the Ontario moose hunt due to no tags?
- Thread starter John Y Cannuck
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It's a shame that points can't be transferred down to other members in a camp or at least to family members when guys like that retire.
We also have a handful in camp approaching their last days that haven't been drawing anything.
We drew two bull tags this year for WMU54. One of the older fellas is 90 and the other is in his mid 80's. Some of the guys were questioning if it was a good idea to accept both, but with their age, who knows if they'll be around next year so we took both. As stated above, it's too bad the point can't be transferred to other camp members.
I travel lots to hunt and get to hunt a lot because of that. If the cost/time associated to one day of travelling is what keeps you out of the game, that's a you problem.
Herd size and health is far more important than hunter opportunity. Seems like Ontario has decimated its moose herd through bad management. Proper herd management leads to more hunter opportunities and success. You also live in a province with a population of 14.5 million, chances are, your odds are going to suck anyway.
Herd size and health is far more important than hunter opportunity. Seems like Ontario has decimated its moose herd through bad management. Proper herd management leads to more hunter opportunities and success. You also live in a province with a population of 14.5 million, chances are, your odds are going to suck anyway.
This is how you further monetize hunting and make it unattainable for the rest. This is also how you also get guys to apply for their non-hunting kids, wife, parrot and pet iguana, to have more chances.
Why should you have the right to take on Jimmy-Bobs lifetime of points and not a hunter who doesn't have the luxury of having high-point holders in their group?
I live right between 21a and 19. 18a is an hour drive away as well. I'll be heading out this weekend with my wife for three or four days. I apply for a calf tag every year in the first draw, and so far have always gotten it. It's my wife who really wants to get a moose, so we are building her points up. I get a calf tag just so we have a reason to get out and camp.
Under the new system, calf tags eat up all your points, and are only valid in the area you chose, not like before where a calf tag gave you an opportunity to hunt in any wmu. Makes far more sense to shoot a calf, rather than a cow, if you shoot a cow that has a calf, the calf won't make it anyway.
Under the new system, calf tags eat up all your points, and are only valid in the area you chose, not like before where a calf tag gave you an opportunity to hunt in any wmu. Makes far more sense to shoot a calf, rather than a cow, if you shoot a cow that has a calf, the calf won't make it anyway.
Higher population and a finite resource........get used to applying. Most provinces/territories/states have had a similar system in place for a long time. Imagine how quickly the moose would be extirpated if it was a free for all.
There are options though. You could travel to units that have low point requirements. You could also choose to save what you would spend on a moose hunt for 3 or 4 years, take that savings and pay for a moose hunt in Newfoundland. Both of these involve much less than a 20+ year wait.
Also, do the moose a favour and burn your cow and calf tags.
There are options though. You could travel to units that have low point requirements. You could also choose to save what you would spend on a moose hunt for 3 or 4 years, take that savings and pay for a moose hunt in Newfoundland. Both of these involve much less than a 20+ year wait.
Also, do the moose a favour and burn your cow and calf tags.
sam menard
CGN Regular
Im not a fan of Trudeau, but I’m not worried about new Canadians buying hunting licences. They are too busy buying up all the business franchises.
Trudeau got them in here to buy votes not licences. The new ones are more of a threat to the sport fishing industry 'cause they just don't get it and/or care about the legalities of it.
FatCatsDad
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Moose hunting can possibly be a once in a lifetime event.
Decreasing Moose numbers, environmental changes, natural predator's, mother nature can only recover from so much abuse.
Not to mention poaching 12 months a year , underfunded Conservation efforts, toothless law enforcement.
There are huge tracts of land in my province that thanks to aircraft chemical spraying over hunting and ridiculously high poaching levels have all but wiped out deer in the biggest hunting zone (WMU) in the province.
It's not an exaggerated statement either.
Decreasing Moose numbers, environmental changes, natural predator's, mother nature can only recover from so much abuse.
Not to mention poaching 12 months a year , underfunded Conservation efforts, toothless law enforcement.
There are huge tracts of land in my province that thanks to aircraft chemical spraying over hunting and ridiculously high poaching levels have all but wiped out deer in the biggest hunting zone (WMU) in the province.
It's not an exaggerated statement either.
FatCatsDad
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
There should be MANDATORY classes and testing for ALL newcomers to Canada.
No schitting wherever you get the urge, no groping women/children, no beating wife/girlfriend/ no honor killing, rivers and streams are not a buffet/grocery store etc etc
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
The new system should recover the moose population. However, I had an insider at the MNRF tell me that the first year of the new system did not have the effect they expected. Why is under study. Moose populations are, with a few exceptions, still dropping, as of a few years ago anyway. My camp is suffering from age related retirement, and we have a few young guys now. My old camp down in 63A last I heard had given up on moose due to lack of tags.
Important reminder to diversify your big game hunting strategy as an Ontario hunter.
In addition to the moose draw we should all be applying for deer, elk and bear as well as exploring both out of Province and International options.
In addition to the moose draw we should all be applying for deer, elk and bear as well as exploring both out of Province and International options.
sam menard
CGN Regular
Attempts to manipulate the moose population by “managing” hunter numbers/effort is not guaranteed to succeed in growing the herd. The issues that suppress moose numbers go much deeper than hunting. Other factors such as predators, weather, and habitat play an huge role in influencing the status of the moose herd.
In Ontario, MNR biologists thought that they were brilliant when within a few years after implementing the antlerless draw the deer herd rebounded. Although the draw certainly helped, it was the simultaneous occurrence of improved winter weather, natural changes to habitat, and a low predator cycle that really put the deer herd on the road to recovery.
The MNR manages resource users well… natural resources-not so much.
you didn't mention the rampant poaching of ungulates by a certain ethnic group that is prolific in BC but no one wants to publicize it. Jagmeet might even be related to some of them..... certainly the same background.Well said John!....
Our moose numbers here in BC have declined substantially in the last ten years. In the late 1990's we used to see approximately 2-3 moose every time out hunting here in the East Kootenays of BC. Now you are lucky to see 1-2 animals per hunting season.
The government has created a good LEH draw program, and a ten point or three brow tine restriction up North. Unfortunately over hunting, loss of habitat, predator kills and Indigenous harvests are still hard on the population. In addition the BCWF decided to kill off a pile of moose thinking this would save the caribou, and no I do not want to have dialogue with any keyboard warriors' about this ridiculous idea because it's the stupidest thing I have ever researched. LOL
Moose are amazing, majestic and delicious, it would be a crying shame if they disappeared to mismanagement........
but you know..... it's predators and indigenous people right?
canadian hunter312
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Brant County
They started giving everyone a calf tag in the 80’s and we’re seeing the result of too many of those consolation calf tags being filled over 30+ years. Far too many people had the opinion that just because they didn’t get a bull or cow tag, they must shoot a calf to justify the trip to maintain camp and trails for that season. All sorts of excuses have been heard over the years.
Native poaching is also a big problem, but unfortunately the government is not willing to discuss that elephant in the room.
The main problem? Selfish humans.
Trimmer 905
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Hunting calves,specifically,never made a lot of sense despite ridiculous theories and positions attempting justification. As it turned out,it was just another appeasement project to protect the tourist trade while turning a blind eye to a few different factors that governments were loathe to even acknowledge let alone discuss.
I hope not. I don't care to be forced into having to hunt with a big group. Just keep it fair so we all have an equal chance. Then take as many hunting with you as you want.
