Are you, or your friends quitting the Ontario moose hunt due to no tags?

DeadShot519 said:
I think we should be able to pool points as a group. For example my group of 4 currently has 1 point, 1 point, 2 points, and 8 points. I see no reason why we should not be able to apply as a group with 12 points into the draw. It is frustrating. But must be worse for the older guys that don’t have the hunting years left to be waiting on a tag.
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So if you need 20 points in some hypothetical unit, a group of 10 guys could get a tag every 2-3 yrs, while the individual would have to wait decades. That's one of the issues the new system was supposed to improve on, compared to the old way.
 
Northern Shooter said:
Well we successfully tagged out this year with a Cow. Had two tags, harvested one animal. That's a win for the moose I guess?
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In a thread about low moose hunting odds and hunt quality, the moose sure "won"...

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DeadShot519 said:
I think we should be able to pool points as a group. For example my group of 4 currently has 1 point, 1 point, 2 points, and 8 points. I see no reason why we should not be able to apply as a group with 12 points into the draw. It is frustrating. But must be worse for the older guys that don’t have the hunting years left to be waiting on a tag.
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That's a pretty selfish way of thinking. Why would you and your large group of buddies/family have more chances than an individual hunter? Points should be averaged. 1, 1, 2 and 8 points should average 3 and those should be the points you're going into the draw with, no more.

Saskatchewan does it even better, you take the odds of the lowest point holder. That way, no one skips the queue by getting their friends, kids, partners, cousins, etc, who don't hunt, to apply for them and raise their odds.
 
9.3mauser said:
So if you need 20 points in some hypothetical unit, a group of 10 guys could get a tag every 2-3 yrs, while the individual would have to wait decades. That's one of the issues the new system was supposed to improve on, compared to the old way.
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Where did I miss that?

I’ve always thought the point system is designed for fairness. A group of 10 should hunt x10 than an individual, that’s fair.

The new system ensures that the individual gets his tag, when it’s due.
 
DeadShot519 said:
I think we should be able to pool points as a group. For example my group of 4 currently has 1 point, 1 point, 2 points, and 8 points. I see no reason why we should not be able to apply as a group with 12 points into the draw. It is frustrating. But must be worse for the older guys that don’t have the hunting years left to be waiting on a tag.
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Southern Ontario nonsense, pooling points=pipe dream
 
John Y Cannuck said:
The new tag system may be great for the moose, but it's very frustrating for hunters. For me as an example, I have 13 points this year, and no tag. That's 13 years I have not drawn a tag of any sort for moose. Many camps have no one with sufficient points to draw a tag, and thus the entire camp can't hunt.

This at first look, is not very expensive, the draw entry is only $15. But then, there's the annual camp costs, in our case rent, (paid to the govt in our case) in addition to the costs of trips in to maintain trails, and the camp itself etc, that have to be done regardless of hunting or not.

This can lead to not only discouragement of existing members, but great difficulty in getting new members.

I have friends in other camps who have quit moose hunting entirely, not being able to afford to drive the better part of a day north to areas where tags are plentiful.

Around my house, (54b) I am of the opinion that moose numbers are rising, however, a trip to camp a week ago, shows that this doesn't appear to be the case there (56).

I'm not quitting, until I'm too damned old BTW.

Comments?
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Well OP, looks like a solution is on the way.

https://www.timminstoday.com/local-news/ontario-wants-more-moose-hunters-in-the-bush-9729905


MNR is looking into 2nd stage resulting in points being burnt if you claim your tag or not, also MNR is looking at implementation of a pool of unclaimed tags to be available for purchase.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Poaching is a big problem in many areas.
I consider any animal harvested outside of provincially defined legal seasons to be poaching.
By anyone, including the indigenous wardens of the land , who seem to be slowly killing the population of EVERYTHING that walks or swims.
I also blame the spineless toothless laws we have regarding it.
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What do ya mean the indigenous "slowly" killing the population?

How about "quickly" They do night hunting, they find the areas where moose bed down, drive in with trucks, blind them & shootem like fish in a barrel & sell'em out the back door.... They have total disregard for white boi rules, and while I do get their frustration from being screwed over pretty badly this is a problem that simply can't be solved. I would love to know how many (moose) they get, vs tags issued to the white bois and how many harvests the white bois actually get. I have not even seen a moose in like a decade of of hunting (we had tags in 8 of 10 years due to being in the middle of no where and a large "party group")

I think the clown suits in govt need to leave the cows alone, and only allow the males to be harvested. Maybe that would be a good stop gap.
There is also a trial ballon suggestion that "declining" your tag forces you to loose your points. This is because a tag that another willing hunter "could have used" is essentially wasted. Now that bieng said, sometimes your circumstances change, so in event of a decline, I think you should be able to do that "once" but only once. I know people who have entered the draw, then had a health issue and could not go. (Its happened to me as well, but I did not draw a tag that year)

Some brainstorming really needs to be done, otherwise moose hunting will be in the dustbin of history, and probably within 10 years..
 
peterem said:
What do ya mean the indigenous "slowly" killing the population?

How about "quickly" They do night hunting, they find the areas where moose bed down, drive in with trucks, blind them & shootem like fish in a barrel & sell'em out the back door.... They have total disregard for white boi rules, and while I do get their frustration from being screwed over pretty badly this is a problem that simply can't be solved. I would love to know how many (moose) they get, vs tags issued to the white bois and how many harvests the white bois actually get. I have not even seen a moose in like a decade of of hunting (we had tags in 8 of 10 years due to being in the middle of no where and a large "party group")

I think the clown suits in govt need to leave the cows alone, and only allow the males to be harvested. Maybe that would be a good stop gap.
There is also a trial ballon suggestion that "declining" your tag forces you to loose your points. This is because a tag that another willing hunter "could have used" is essentially wasted. Now that bieng said, sometimes your circumstances change, so in event of a decline, I think you should be able to do that "once" but only once. I know people who have entered the draw, then had a health issue and could not go. (Its happened to me as well, but I did not draw a tag that year)

Some brainstorming really needs to be done, otherwise moose hunting will be in the dustbin of history, and probably within 10 years..
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I used slowly to be somewhat polite.

What I saw done to 3 Cow and 1 Bull Elk while deer hunting just outside of Brandon Manitoba a number of years ago was disgusting and was told it was a regular event perpetrated by the indigenous in the area.
They operated a kill to order group.
 
FatCatsDad said:
I used slowly to be somewhat polite.

What I saw done to 3 Cow and 1 Bull Elk while deer hunting just outside of Brandon Manitoba a number of years ago was disgusting and was told it was a regular event perpetrated by the indigenous in the area.
They operated a kill to order group.
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Thanks for the response, I do appreciate it ....
(I was wondering if I am just that loud mouth hothead, ranting and raving)

There is no solution to this issue, and I get that it is an onion skin of "complications" I understand that the indigenous have been totally screwed over on many issues and this is a way for them to get some vengeance. Politically, I strongly doubt the welfare of the moose population will be prioritized, corrected nor enforced.

I appreciate you guys tolerating my ranting.
Thank you
 
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