Arguing with a BC CO in the butcher shop..... hmmmmmm

While I may not necessarily follow the same approach to it (I don't get rude unless they get rude) I agree that just as we are REQUIRED to know the laws for the sports / activities we pursue LEO / CO should also know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse we can use and neither should they be allowed to use it either: they are the professionals.

yes exactly, I don't get rude unless I am approached and spoken too rudely, which was exactly the case. This guy wasn't professional , he was mouthy and completely wrong right from the first words out of his mouth. I met him with the stern commitment to proving the point that i was completely legal , the documents already in his hand told him that and so did the tags in my pocket and the hunting regulations.

but we still have guys here who pull the "two sides to every story" crap.

I have dealt with many CO's in BC and most have been fantastic. We need more CO's out there in the field for sure..... just not ones who have failed to understand the simplest parts of our mule deer regulations.
 
My main beef is with municipal and regional Police officers who simply don't know fish and game or firearms regulations,but,think they do. A good friend and hunting partner who works as a provincial CO said it best. "There's nothing worse than someone who doesn't know what they don't know."

Well said....met a rude police officer once while fishing at the river...asked for my licence which was in my purse back in the truck and not in my pocket where he stated it should be. Made an issue out of it...maybe he wanted to be a game warden instead of a cop...who knows
 
let me be very clear, I didn't post this thread to provide a platform to bash LEO and CO members.
I can't even count how many times a stern commitment to standing my ground in the face of law enforcement over firearms interactions and thier ignorance of the law. I remember a few years back I posted about driving in surrey after picking up 16 tacticalized M14 rifles , fresh from barrel work at dlask arms. I came around a corner and came upon a major traffic stop and i was not wearing my seatbelt. The cop looked at me, I pulled over before he even waved his hand. As he peered over my shoulder into the back of my jeep yj he said are those firearms sir? I spent some time on the ground , sitting there in loose cuffs while the whole situation played itself out. Some officers snickered at me and said i would be going to jail today and would probably make the paper and I simply said I'm 100% legal, paperwork is in the cases, call the canadian firearms center and the bc cfo and I demanded that a senior officer with knowledge of the firearms act be brought to the scene. In the end, i went on my way with those 16 rifles because I sternly and repeatedly demanded officers be present who understood the act and that is exactly what ended up happening..... instead of me keeping my mouth shut and getting falsely arrested and the customers rifles impounded.

I see the majority of responses here are supportive so I'm just gonna ignore those who need to take thier jabs over me being "rude" to an ignorant CO.
The CO's office is less than 10 minutes from my driveway and still no visit. I was hoping the boss man would drop by for a chat but I think I will take this one by the horns and head down there and have a chat with him about what happened yesterday. It kinda blew my mind that the officer could be so out to lunch on the regs that he felt the need to hassle me and hopefully some good can come from this if I have a chat with his superior. Maybe I'll ask if i can wear a body cam so folks here can have the "two sides of the story" LOL
 
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I posted this thread because everywhere i go, interacting with fellow hunters and sporting goods shops, everyone keeps telling me it is now only 1 mule deer in BC for all regions..... which simply is not true. Which "is" fact..... not my imagination or interpretation.

Yep. It's ####in' scary how many people have no clue how the new rules apply. It's not that god-damned difficult to understand. It is right there in the regs, for Christ's sake.

I had a long argument on one of the BC hunting forums with a guy who normally seems fairly intelligent. After several pages, the guy finally had the "light bulb" moment and realized that his son could take his LEH doe in one region and a buck in another. Of course, he didn't thank me.
 
I have had one instance where I screwed up big time , well i guess in my eyes 2 times......
I took my truck out one day early in the dark to get way high up mt deception by day break. Got a few K onto the gravel up the canim road and red and blues lit up behind me. CO.... the boss in fact.
He checked everything , all was good but my truck was going no where. I had renewed the insurance a couple days earlier after the truck not having plates for a few months. I had left that morning with no plates and no paperwork for the truck...... dumb.
Glenn gave me a huge break that day because it is mandatory for the CO to call the rcmp for the motor vehicle infractions I was facing. He tried and they were busy in some high speed pursuit between 100 mile and the puddle. He could have waited but he didn't, instead he called bridge lake towing and had my truck towed, cost me 380 bux. The CO drove me and my gear the 70+ km back to my place and was pretty cool about the whole thing and explaining that he was doing me a solid in that I was avoiding the motor vehicle fines (100's of bux) and points on my license because he chose to not wait for an rcmp member to attend. Believe me I was grateful and relieved the day only cost me 380 bux LOL

the second time i feel i screwed up was when I got rushed by the pack of wolves while ambush hunting black tail deer. Me and my partner know we killed 3 or 4 wolves that evening but got the hell out of there due to falling darkness and the size of the pack. We were unable.... or unwilling..... to go in to retrieve them in that terrain. The whole incident reported in detail to the CO office and I was cleared of any further follow up. I still feel we should have gone back in but it "is" very dangerous terrain as the CO agreed.

another time , after a week's hike in hunting on the north side of newcombe lake in region 6, packing 2 animals out of the bush and a long drive home ahead..... I managed to spike a hole in my rad pulling too far into a willow bush turning my trailer around. 2 hours and a bunch of solder and pop can later..... and now darkness , we made a hasty haul for Topley. Before we left the Nadina road to the main haul road and flyin along at 80k with a trailer and another rig behind me..... We get pulled over by a CO. He wanted to know why we were hauling so fast in the dark and had me to the point where I was unlatching the trailer panel to access the animals when he said hey.... your truck is smoking!! I told him what happened and that we were in a race to get to the hwy to see about a proper repair to make it home with our meat. The guy handed me my paperwork and helped me relatch the trailer without inspecting a single quarter of meat and sent us on our way. So not all my interations with CO's necessitate being rude hehehe
 
everyone keeps telling me it is now only 1 mule deer in BC for all regions..... which simply is not true.

If they actually read the Synopsis instead of pulling the info out of their asses they would be better informed.

Page 17.... it is in bold twice. Only 1 from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined. The chart clearly shows 2 for Mulies in 1 & 2.

The CO should definitely know this.
 
If they actually read the Synopsis instead of pulling the info out of their asses they would be better informed.

Page 17.... it is in bold twice. Only 1 from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined. The chart clearly shows 2 for Mulies in 1 & 2.

The CO should definitely know this.

Yes and further to that there is an exception given for region 6 regarding Haida Gwaii, where the Mule deer(blacktail) bag limit remains at 15 deer. (5 posession)
 
Most of the CO's I run into are very human.

Sad but true...Huge volumes of regulations mixed with authority, body armour and a side arm turn some into sportsmen terminators.

Owning most of the land I hunt on changes my perception of CO's...Never fails when fall approaches the natives and weekend warriors become restless and unruly...I find myself strongly allied with the game department and appreciate all the help I get from them.
 
If they actually read the Synopsis instead of pulling the info out of their asses they would be better informed.

Page 17.... it is in bold twice. Only 1 from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined. The chart clearly shows 2 for Mulies in 1 & 2.

The CO should definitely know this.

Here's the thing though, you're wrong. It isn't "only 1 mule deer" from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined.

Read it again.
 
MAJOR PROVINCE WIDE REGULATION CHANGES FOR 2018-2020
• Licensed grizzly bear hunting is banned in B.C.
• Hunters are now required to carry all species licences obtained or
held for the current licence year, including both cancelled and uncancelled,
while hunting
• “Edible portions” has been re-defined to include meat from the neck
and ribs, and hunters are now required to remove the edible portions
of harvested cougar
• Revised requirements to prove evidence of ### and species while
transporting harvested big game
• Aggregate bag limit of one mule deer buck in Regions 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B,
and 8
• Prohibition on the use of cervid derivatives (i.e., deer urine) sourced
outside of B.C. for the purpose of hunting
New information or regulation changes are
highlighted as green, bold text

One of the most common questions that wildlife staff receive is about
deer bag limits and deer species licences. On the surface it seems
confusing, with provincial bag limits vs. regional bag limits, buck limits vs.
antlerless bag limits, aggregate bag limits, individual bag limits for species,
and species licences for mule (black-tailed) and white-tailed deer. Once
the system is broken down into its parts it is straight forward.
There are two classes of bag limits, Provincial and Regional, neither of
these bag limits can be exceeded.
1) The Provincial bag limit for deer is 3 (not including Haida Gwaii/
QCI). Hunters may not harvest more than 3 deer in one licence year,
but only 1 may be a mule (black-tailed) deer buck from Regions 3,
4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined.
Hunters may harvest 3 white-tailed
deer (if they purchase 3 white-tailed
deer licenses), or 3 mule (blacktailed)
deer (if they purchase 3
mule (black-tailed) deer licenses), or
a combination of white-tailed and
mule (black-tailed) deer (1+2 or
2+1) providing they do not exceed
the provincial limit of 3 and not
more than 1 mule (black-tailed)
deer buck from Regions 3, 4, 5,
6 ,7A, 7B and 8 combined. The
reason hunters may purchase more
than 3 deer licenses in total is to
provide hunters with the flexibility
to harvest any combination of white-tailed or mule (black-tailed) deer up
to a maximum of 3.
2) Regional bag limits are implemented to limit the number of a species
or ### of deer that may be harvested per hunter per year in response to
local conditions. If a hunter harvests the maximum number of a species
or ### of deer within a region, they can no longer hunt deer within that
region. They can, however, continue to hunt and harvest deer in other
regions until they reach the provincial bag limit of 3.
The following table outlines the provincial and regional bag limits for deer.
Deer bag limits on Haida Gwaii are not covered in this article, as they are
a unique case.

region 1 Antlered mule deer =2 , Antlerless = 2 but regional bag limit is 3 mule deer combined
region 2 Antlered mule deer = 2, Antlerless = 2 but regional bag limit is 2 mule deer combined
region 3 Antlered mule deer 1, Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer period.
region 4 Antlered mule deer 1, Antlerless = 0 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer period.
Region 5 Antlered Mule deer =1, Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 2 mule deer combined
Region 6 Antlered Mule deer =1 , Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limt is 2 mule deer combined ** see Haida Gwaii deer licenses for exceptions.
Region 7a Antlered Mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1, regional bag limit is 1 mule deer
region 7b Antlered mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer
region 8 Antlered mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1, regional bag limit is 1 mule deer.

if you kill a Buck mule deer in the regions listed at the beginning of the table, you may not hunt mule deer bucks in those included regions. Regions 1,2 and Haida Gwaii are exempt from the 2018-2020 changes to BC mule deer regulations.
I haven't included Whitetail as they are a seperate license but the Provincial bag limit for Mule deer and whitetail is combined at 3 deer per hunter, per season. * exception for haida gwaii.
 
MAJOR PROVINCE WIDE REGULATION CHANGES FOR 2018-2020
• Licensed grizzly bear hunting is banned in B.C.
• Hunters are now required to carry all species licences obtained or
held for the current licence year, including both cancelled and uncancelled,
while hunting
• “Edible portions” has been re-defined to include meat from the neck
and ribs, and hunters are now required to remove the edible portions
of harvested cougar
• Revised requirements to prove evidence of ### and species while
transporting harvested big game
• Aggregate bag limit of one mule deer buck in Regions 3, 4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B,
and 8
• Prohibition on the use of cervid derivatives (i.e., deer urine) sourced
outside of B.C. for the purpose of hunting
New information or regulation changes are
highlighted as green, bold text

One of the most common questions that wildlife staff receive is about
deer bag limits and deer species licences. On the surface it seems
confusing, with provincial bag limits vs. regional bag limits, buck limits vs.
antlerless bag limits
, aggregate bag limits, individual bag limits for species,
and species licences for mule (black-tailed) and white-tailed deer. Once
the system is broken down into its parts it is straight forward.
There are two classes of bag limits, Provincial and Regional, neither of
these bag limits can be exceeded.
1) The Provincial bag limit for deer is 3 (not including Haida Gwaii/
QCI). Hunters may not harvest more than 3 deer in one licence year,
but only 1 may be a mule (black-tailed) deer buck from Regions 3,
4, 5, 6, 7A, 7B and 8 combined.
Hunters may harvest 3 white-tailed
deer (if they purchase 3 white-tailed
deer licenses), or 3 mule (blacktailed)
deer (if they purchase 3
mule (black-tailed) deer licenses), or
a combination of white-tailed and
mule (black-tailed) deer (1+2 or
2+1) providing they do not exceed
the provincial limit of 3 and not
more than 1 mule (black-tailed)
deer buck from Regions 3, 4, 5,
6 ,7A, 7B and 8 combined. The
reason hunters may purchase more
than 3 deer licenses in total is to
provide hunters with the flexibility
to harvest any combination of white-tailed or mule (black-tailed) deer up
to a maximum of 3.
2) Regional bag limits are implemented to limit the number of a species
or ### of deer that may be harvested per hunter per year in response to
local conditions. If a hunter harvests the maximum number of a species
or ### of deer within a region, they can no longer hunt deer within that
region. They can, however, continue to hunt and harvest deer in other
regions until they reach the provincial bag limit of 3.
The following table outlines the provincial and regional bag limits for deer.
Deer bag limits on Haida Gwaii are not covered in this article, as they are
a unique case.

region 1 Antlered mule deer =2 , Antlerless = 2 but regional bag limit is 3 mule deer combined
region 2 Antlered mule deer = 2, Antlerless = 2 but regional bag limit is 2 mule deer combined
region 3 Antlered mule deer 1, Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer period.
region 4 Antlered mule deer 1, Antlerless = 0 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer period.
Region 5 Antlered Mule deer =1, Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 2 mule deer combined
Region 6 Antlered Mule deer =1 , Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limt is 2 mule deer combined ** see Haida Gwaii deer licenses for exceptions.
Region 7a Antlered Mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1, regional bag limit is 1 mule deer
region 7b Antlered mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1 , regional bag limit is 1 mule deer
region 8 Antlered mule deer = 1 , Antlerless = 1, regional bag limit is 1 mule deer.

if you kill a Buck mule deer in the regions listed at the beginning of the table, you may not hunt mule deer bucks in those included regions. Regions 1,2 and Haida Gwaii are exempt from the 2018-2020 changes to BC mule deer regulations.
I haven't included Whitetail as they are a seperate license but the Provincial bag limit for Mule deer and whitetail is combined at 3 deer per hunter, per season. * exception for haida gwaii.

This is my point.

Many people think you can only shoot "1 mule deer for Regions 3, 4, 5, 6 ,7A, 7B and 8 combined". They are wrong.

It is 100% legal to shoot an LEH antlerless mule deer in region 3, and a mule deer buck in region 5, or vise versa, or any combination of those regions as long as they are within combined provincial and regional bag limits.

For some reason, nearly every person I discuss this with says "no you can't" like they REALLY know the regs. Probably some COs would say the same, and they'd be just as wrong.
 
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Apparently folks are real confused on the new regs on neck meat and transport too because the butcher said the CO's have been dropping in lots and checking the books and carcasses.
I leave the heads, skinned up as high as I can get into the neck, ### parts and the tail on every deer i kill until I present to the butcher with rare exceptions where I've been solo and had to quarter to pack out. So the majority of the time all those boxes for identifying the animal are checked off on the butchers game meat intake form that they have to fill out including the two deer already processed by the butcher in the boxes i was picking up.
I like to think I go above and beyond when it comes to following firearms safety/laws and hunting laws so it is offensive to me that a CO in the wrong entirely, would accost me given the situation and the location..... the data on the butcher sheets ,my tags..... and ultimately the regulations.
 
I have found most CO's pretty good to deal with but I remember an incident quite a few years ago that was kind of humorous after the fact.
A friend and I were hunting deer during the muzzle loading season and exited some very dense brush on to a roadway. We had removed our caps and let the hammers down (side locks). Golly gee there is a green truck there waiting . There were two CO's, one quite young and one quite a bit older kind of our age.The young one asked for our licences after doing a check of our guns. He then asked for tags. My friend showed him his and he checked that it matched his licence and then asked for my tag. I told him I didn't need one as we were party hunting.
He asked if I had used my tag and I said no. He then said he would like to see it and I said I did not have it with me today. That didn't seem to satisfy him and I was pretty sure I was OK but not 100%. Then the old guy stepped in and told us to have a safe hunt and headed for his truck and the young one followed.
I guess the old guy was just letting the young one run with it and gain some experience on how to deal with a**holes like me when he encountered them.
A couple of months later I saw a picture of the old guy in the paper that he had retired after a long career with the MNR.
So even if you meet a grumpy one maybe he just had to deal with similar case.
 
my experience was that he was condescending little prick right from the get go hehehe
I get that folks have bad days or experiences that will carry thru to thier next interaction. maybe that young fella had a rough morning and was taking it out on me I dunno..... but I don't care. I didn't think mentioning the content of my morning here prior to the incident was relevant but perhaps it is. Perhaps my "rudeness" was a spillover from the news my wife and i got at the doctors before we went to the butcher to pick up our meat. She had a miscarriage of our first attempt at having kids...... but that is kinda irrelevant to the real issue of being pissed off at a CO for being a #### and not knowing the regs he was coming down on me for, in front of my butcher and his staff and in front of my grieving wife.

gonna leave this one be.
I gotta go find somewhere to fill my last deer tag LOL
 
Apparently folks are real confused on the new regs on neck meat and transport too because the butcher said the CO's have been dropping in lots and checking the books and carcasses.
I leave the heads, skinned up as high as I can get into the neck, ### parts and the tail on every deer i kill until I present to the butcher with rare exceptions where I've been solo and had to quarter to pack out. So the majority of the time all those boxes for identifying the animal are checked off on the butchers game meat intake form that they have to fill out including the two deer already processed by the butcher in the boxes i was picking up.
I like to think I go above and beyond when it comes to following firearms safety/laws and hunting laws so it is offensive to me that a CO in the wrong entirely, would accost me given the situation and the location..... the data on the butcher sheets ,my tags..... and ultimately the regulations.

I always take all the meat, the bones, the hide and plenty of the guts (heart, liver, caul fat) - to my house. It get's butchered there and put in the freezer (except the hide, which is usually given away).
 
my freezer is full every year with enough to share around so nope, don't feel bad about shooting a nice fat 3 point. don't feel bad about the 2 point blacktail i gunned the week after either LOL
showed MD one of my spots, even drew him a treasure map to follow..... but he only shot a 3 x 3 blacktail so my pointers must have been innadequate to yours LOL

I do hold out for big bucks sometimes and have posted enough book deer on this site alone for those who have paid attention.
but I know yer just another one of those guys on this site that like to troll me whenever possible so jokes on you i guess.
 
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