ARRRGGGHH! Frustrated!

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Ordered a rail, bottom metal, and trigger guard from Kinney's at the end of May (as recommended by several members here). Order went through without a hitch until tracking showed it passed through US Customs. Nothing after that.

Got an email today from Kinney's saying the rail was returned to them, and the other parts were confiscated by Canada Customs. They stated they have never had a problem shipping here.

A little cheesed off at the moment.
 
I’m not at all familiar with ordering rifle parts out of the US. For the more experienced members, what would be the reasoning for confiscating bottom metal and a trigger guard?
 
The US has started enforcement of certain export rules lately, gonna be tough getting things from there now.
 
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this is bad news, I've never had an issue with a handful of orders from Kinney's.....did you get any explanation as to why parts were returned/confiscated?
 
My tracking showed it passed through US Customs then it dead-ended. Nothing since June 4 until the email from Kinneys yesterday. He told me the parts were removed from the parcel (but the rail was not) and no explanation was given by them.
 
One example of a problem of getting firearm-related parts from the U.S. for reasons no one yet knows. Yet the sky is falling. It was stolen by customs agents. Kinney's "was" good, but is no longer. Blame a politician for a lost package. :runaway:

Perhaps the outcry is premature. Isn't there a good chance that this particular order just got screwed up at customs or the postal system and there was no malevolent machinations at work? Is this the first time customs or the PO has fouled up?

If the firearms-related parts I ordered and which were shipped this week from Mwerks don't come in, I'll post on this thread and say all the naysayers were right after all. But I doubt that will be necessary.
 
I order from the US and have the parts shipped to a UPS store int the US where I go and give them $5.00 and then I come back across! Some Us businesses will cancel ur order once they see it’s a Canadian credit card but many don’t care as long as they get the money! Won’t work for everyone cuz of proximity but it’s another way to skin the cat!
 
If I may, I'd like to suggest that we hold off on grabbing the pitchforks and torches until we hear the rest of the story - as it were. Regardless of what we all may think about CBSA they do have some specific processes and rules they follow.

To the OP: can you ask Kinney's for a picture of the package, as it was returned to them? Can they verify that the package was opened and then re-sealed with yellow CBSA tape? CAn they provide you with a copy of any documentation that CBSA sent them along with the opened package? There will always be a form letter of some sort.

Also, normally the CBSA would also be sending you, the Canadian receiving the package, a letter explaining that your package was refused/ is being held or whatever - as you have a legal right to appeal their decision.

I may ultimately be proven wrong, but I suspect that something other than an official CBSA action has taken place here. Is it possible that the package was damaged in shipping and the post office returned it to the sender? or that the address they had for you on the package was not legible or valid and was returned for that - and the missing parts are coincidental?

Anyway, I am eager to hear how this is resolved. We all have items going both ways across the border and I really can't see CBSA officers just randomly doing whatever they please with our packages. At the end of the day, they do have rules and laws they need to follow.


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I see grauhanen beat me to it. Hopefully we get to hear the rest of the story soon enough!
 
Longstud said:
I order from the US and have the parts shipped to a UPS store int the US where I go and give them $5.00 and then I come back across! Some Us businesses will cancel ur order once they see it’s a Canadian credit card but many don’t care as long as they get the money! Won’t work for everyone cuz of proximity but it’s another way to skin the cat!
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Good way to get yourself thrown in US prison, or at minimum barred from entering the US for the rest of your life.
Read up on the penalties for individuals contravening ITAR laws.

IRUNGUNS has a note on what's going on.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...eing-enforced-as-of-July-3rd-Imports-effected

Basically in this case DIP is obviously not registered with the State Dept which is why they don't ship to Canada, which is why Kinney's was the go to for their stuff.
 
Hitzy said:
Good way to get yourself thrown in US prison, or at minimum barred from entering the US for the rest of your life.
Read up on the penalties for individuals contravening ITAR laws.

IRUNGUNS has a note on what's going on.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...eing-enforced-as-of-July-3rd-Imports-effected

Basically in this case DIP is obviously not registered with the State Dept which is why they don't ship to Canada, which is why Kinney's was the go to for their stuff.
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Pretty sure the US has bigger fish to fry than an old grey haired buzzard buying a $50.00 25 moa rail for an Anschutz 22 target rifle! You may be correct however and next time ill be biting my nails hoping I don't go to San Quentin or worse! Glad they closed the Rock or id never even consider crossing that bridge! Hahaha
 
Longstud said:
I order from the US and have the parts shipped to a UPS store int the US where I go and give them $5.00 and then I come back across! Some Us businesses will cancel ur order once they see it’s a Canadian credit card but many don’t care as long as they get the money! Won’t work for everyone cuz of proximity but it’s another way to skin the cat!
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Longstud said:
Pretty sure the US has bigger fish to fry than an old grey haired buzzard buying a $50.00 25 moa rail for an Anschutz 22 target rifle! You may be correct however and next time ill be biting my nails hoping I don't go to San Quentin or worse! Glad they closed the Rock or id never even consider crossing that bridge! Hahaha
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Laugh if you want, I'm just providing information. You are exporting gun parts out of the US, everything gun related is ITAR or State Department regulated. And you are correct, they don't care who you are, just what you are doing.
Penalties for Compliance Violations

Strategically speaking, exporters have nothing to gain and everything to lose from noncompliance. ITAR enforcement is exceptional, and the State Department collaborates with a number of domestic and foreign agencies to closely monitor compliance at every stage of the export process. Penalties are severe, with certain violations risking criminal penalties (including imprisonment) and/or debarment of the business itself.

Criminal penalties include fines of up to $1 million and up to 10 years imprisonment. Exporters found in violation of ITAR are generally only subjected to criminal penalties for willful noncompliance.

Civil penalties are more common, but in monetary terms, no less severe.

As of August 1, 2016, civil ITAR violations may result in monetary penalties up to $1.09 million in value (per violation). This inflation-adjusted penalty ceiling will be adjusted on an annual basis every January.

Civil penalties apply to each individual violation. A single locus of noncompliance can in fact be broken down into multiple violations, resulting in penalties in the range of tens of millions of dollars.
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Hitzy said:
Laugh if you want, I'm just providing information. You are exporting gun parts out of the US, everything gun related is ITAR or State Department regulated. And you are correct, they don't care who you are, just what you are doing.
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I can't believe how many people don't seem to know about American export laws (as they relate to firearms). Seems like a nearly daily occurrence to see a thread about this sort of thing. My favorite is when people say #### like "well I'm not in jail so clearly it's ok!"... Some days I feel like we need an ITAR tutorial as part of the sign up process for this site or something...
 
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