ASC LAR 10/30 round pistol mags

superlative said:
What happened? Link please? As far as I know, they're still legal. Ain't that right TV-Presspass?
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He was talking about NR Mag (Northern Republic Magazine, the company). They had submitted exact replicas of the OEM Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags to the RCMP to determine if the are good to go or not as the RCMP can determine if imported mags are what the say they are or not. The claimed them to be "dual use" if that makes any sense given there is no legislation on this other than what has already allowed for beowulf mags to be green-lighted in the past. The RCMP also said they will be looking into other similar non OEM magazines (read mags that shall not be named).

Further to add to this, I spoke with Chris of Armtac recently about what is the problem getting more beo mags, etc. in and he said that Armtac had submitted some Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf mags for review by the RCMP lab. Kinda makes me feel like this is going to end down the same path for Armtac as it did with TSE recently... even though it is clearly our laws that are the problem.
 
onetwentyish said:
He was talking about NR Mag (Northern Republic Magazine, the company). They had submitted exact replicas of the OEM Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags to the RCMP to determine if the are good to go or not as the RCMP can determine if imported mags are what the say they are or not. The claimed them to be "dual use" if that makes any sense given there is no legislation on this other than what has already allowed for beowulf mags to be green-lighted in the past. The RCMP also said they will be looking into other similar non OEM magazines (read mags that shall not be named).

Further to add to this, I spoke with Chris of Armtac recently about what is the problem getting more beo mags, etc. in and he said that Armtac had submitted some Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf mags for review by the RCMP lab. Kinda makes me feel like this is going to end down the same path for Armtac as it did with TSE recently... even though it is clearly our laws that are the problem.
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Woa! I thought the .50 Beo mags was already looked at by the RCMP and given the thumbs up. Not happy to see them going for a second look. I have some serious money to lose here, Invested about $1300 in Beo mags.

Moe
 
Moe said:
Woa! I thought the .50 Beo mags was already looked at by the RCMP and given the thumbs up. Not happy to see them going for a second look. I have some serious money to lose here, Invested about $1300 in Beo mags.

Moe
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Same here. Not happy one bit. If something does go wrong here I would like to see it held up in court with someone like Solomon on our side. There is no way that it should be illegal considering it is already just playing off of the same idea as 9mm in a .40 s&w, just with a greater reasult. Now imagine where we would be had someone seen the potential and brought in beo pistol mags before this whole thing blew up. Then we would have been using 2 pre determined precedences to have legal 30 round mags.

The real kicker here is that there never should have been these restrictive laws anyhow and there is surprisingly still no extra blood in the streets from law abiding firearms enthusiasts.

I think the fact that crime has not become an issue in the more recent years with all these new "dangerous death machines" and "high capacity mags" available to law abiding firearms owners should prove our innocense (since it is a guilty untill proven inocent thing) and we should now be allowed more freedoms such as normal mag caps at least. Maybe even allow us bad people some drum mags/beltfeds/surefires etc.
 
I don't understand the "Dual Purpose" ruling on the Northern Republics E-Lander .50 Beowulf magazines. The magazines are like 99.999% identical in spec to the AA arms ones.

The only real difference is that AA arms ones are OEM to the company that create the cartridge which gives it more legitimacy and they were brought in before people discovered what you could do with them.


There is an RCMP bulletin stating that things like 9mm in a .40 magazine/using a caliber in the incorrect magazines to gain higher capacity is NOT illegal. That would indicate that the guys at PCV are good to go.


So that's the law, you don't need the RCMP's approval. You make a legal product (magazine is either prohib or non restricted item), you don't even need to get the RCMP's approval. Just go out and sell it and let them charge you with a law that doesn't exist. It's like the Quebec registry thing. They say you still need to register your guns, but there isn't a law in the books that you can be charged with.
 
I'd still like to know why every thread about PCV gets nuked.

Have we not all seen this bulletin,

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
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The PCV mags are made for .50 Beowulf, they now actually have that fully written on it and can only hold 5 rounds of .50 Beowulf. This site says they won't allow them to sell until the RCMP approves it.

Why the hell do they need the RCMP to approve it? It's an unrestricted product and from what I can tell is completely legal and compliant. It's not like the whole pistol vs rifle mag thing, there isn't anything the firearms lab needs to prove here. It holds five rounds of .50 Beowulf.

The guys making these things aren't going to get that approval cause they don't need it. I swear sometimes it's like this website became a business and no longer a gun owner community. Gotta make sure everything is lawyer proof.

A small number of CZ858's become prohip, the site bans putting up all non-banned ones on EE.
 
I noticed a little while ago it says "5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre"


Says nothing about rifles. And we all know how the RCMP are...
 
They worded it that way because when they wrote that, the advantage of the .50 Beo mags was unknown to them. Pistol mags able to do that were the only example they were aware of.

Moe
 
I think the main point we should be focusing on here is Education. The LARs and .50Beowulf mags have been available and in use for quite some time. The slight increase in magazine capacity has not promoted any sort of mal-intent, criminal mis-use or safety risks within our law-abiding firearms community to the best of my humble knowledge.
 
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