ASC LAR 10/30 round pistol mags

Did anyone read what is actually described on the website? It doesn't say LAR pistol mags (which have been approved) it says L-AR pistol mags. Wonder why they don't want to get hit with Trademark infringement? and given that the trademark is what's approved, it does make me wonder what the true status of these mags is. I seem to remember the regs specifying that the 'pistol' mag must be a distinctive magazine, as in having something unique about it, as in not a 30 pinned to 10. But that's just me.

PS I don't remember seeing these guys at the Victoria show, but I do remember seeing the CFO's office there.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Realistically until the " legality " of these mags is determined it could go the way the PCV mags did and threads like this will be locked and squashed until official confirmation is given that they are legal as far as the RCMP is concerned.
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Which may never come. No where is it written in law that 10/30 pistol mags are illegal. Myth, legend, rumor, maybe.

One could say the ATRS 10/25 mags are a good example why these are legal.
 
bigjohncdn said:
From what I read these are not straight USGI but stainless steel then blackened. Also, look at our Cdn $ right now, way low and it appears tax must be included as there's no additional tax added, according to the site.

I know from working with aluminum for years that trying to crimp a body that thin would not work, probably why it's stainless. Hell, Trigger sells riveted aluminum USGI retail at $30 + tax. *LOL*

Just looked at ASC website, stainless mag $16. Then add crimping, laser engraving, shipping, exchange, brokerage, taxes at border, duty......... I import performance car parts, I know what it costs! Not to mention bringing you something you want.

I've ordered some, got email confirmation from him and sent EMT. Says they'll ship out Monday. I'll see what I get.
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Ok. Gotta ask.... Are you the "John" I spoke to on the phone at Practical Performance? Because if it is, this post above concerns me. If you are that john, posting as if you aren't involved in the company, as if you are a customer is not above board.

And I ask, because your introduction post in the greetings forum sounds like who I talked to, and you hit on the same key topics; the use of aluminum and it's weakness when crimped, being in the hobby since before the 78 full auto prohib and travel between bc and alberta.

bigjohncdn said:
New to CGN.

Have been in the shooting community since 1974. Grandfathered for most stuff. Just getting involved in online forums.

Spend most of my time in BC and Alberta.
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Any one know how to check an IP address of a user and compare it to a web site?
 
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fenceline said:
Which may never come. No where is it written in law that 10/30 pistol mags are illegal. Myth, legend, rumor, maybe.

One could say the ATRS 10/25 mags are a good example why these are legal.
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I don't understand how an item that isn't " controlled " like a firearm needs approval from the RCMP firearms lab as long as it's built to the mag laws that exist in the country. I can understand the need for examination to import or export maybe for paperwork purposes but not in this case.

Its bureaucratic BS of a controlling power hungry law enforcement group that doesn't make the laws just enforce them.
 
Hitzy said:
Yes, which is equally as rediculous....
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Stamped steel anything is extremely expensive to manufacture because of the high cost involved in tooling/die manufacturing for a product. Considering these are targeted for a much more limited market given not many Americans will be interested in buying mags that aren't full capacity the retail price is gonna be high understandably.
 
mildcustom2 said:
I don't understand how an item that isn't " controlled " like a firearm needs approval from the RCMP firearms lab as long as it's built to the mag laws that exist in the country. I can understand the need for examination to import or export maybe for paperwork purposes but not in this case.

Its bureaucratic BS of a controlling power hungry law enforcement group that doesn't make the laws just enforce them.
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The RCMP are like the Mafia.

You don't legally need their permission for a lot of things. But they can make your life miserable if you don't get their blessing. Capische?
 
fenceline said:
Ok. Gotta ask.... Are you the "John" I spoke to on the phone at Practical Performance? Because if it is, this post above concerns me.

And I ask, because your introduction post in the greetings forum sounds like who I talked to
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No, I'm not "THE" John. However, I do know the guy from the Victoria show. He has bought guns from me in the past.
 
fenceline said:
you hit on the same key topics; the use of aluminum and it's weakness when crimped,
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Well, if he mentioned the thing about bending aluminum he likely knows his stuff. I've been using it for years making shifter housings and dashboards etc for custom vehicles. Really prone to cracking when bent sharply.
 
the grey 10 round acs and black c- products ones go for $34.99 plus tax in my town. ill glady pay $45 taxed in for a full body one
 
Why this doesn't work:

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,


(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,

The thirty round length was originally developed for use in a rifle - this is nothing new, and is why the approved mags are of a non-standard length, for example the 15 round length of the original LAR mag, and the 23 round length of the ATR mag.
 
enefgee said:
Why this doesn't work:

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,


(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,

The thirty round length was originally developed for use in a rifle - this is nothing new, and is why the approved mags are of a non-standard length, for example the 15 round length of the original LAR mag, and the 23 round length of the ATR mag.
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I feel stupid for asking, but i've read what you said over..and over,..and over, but don't get it.

What does "standard/non-standard" length have to do with this? AFAIK what is printed on the magazine and how many cartridges it holds is what matters. (5 for PRINTED rifle, 10 for PRINTED pistols). These were created to hold 10 rounds, the body is not capable of holding more, the magazine says for LAR15 PISTOL - Whats the issue? What am I missing?
 
DocShay said:
I feel stupid for asking, but i've read what you said over..and over,..and over, but don't get it.

What does "standard/non-standard" length have to do with this? AFAIK what is printed on the magazine and how many cartridges it holds is what matters. (5 for PRINTED rifle, 10 for PRINTED pistols). These were created to hold 10 rounds, the body is not capable of holding more, the magazine says for LAR15 PISTOL - Whats the issue? What am I missing?
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These are lanced rifle mags - the rifle mag came first in that length, therefore they're restricted to 5 rounds. You cannot just take a PMag and pin it to 10 and print "LAR Pistol Magazine" on it. The pistol mag is required to have distinct features (for example, length). Hey - I get what you're saying, I'm just giving you the reason the last person who tried to pin 30 rounders to 10 and call them pistol mags was given. I'm sure ATR would rather have had 30 round mag bodies in their pistol mags, I wonder why they didn't - after all it would have been cheaper than re-designing the wheel, wouldn't it. The AR 15 magazine in that length was originally designed for a rifle - so the pistol magazine body can either be longer, or shorter and be marked for pistol use - it can't be the same length as the GI 20, or GI 30 round magazines, regardless of what is written on the side. The original LAR mag is shorter than a 20 rounder, the ATR is slightly longer than a 20 rounder - they are unique to the firearms they are made for, which is a pistol. That makes them legal at their full capacity of 10 rounds.
 
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