Atlin, B.C, First Nation urging hunters to reconsider their hunting plans this season

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Atlin, B.C, First Nation urging hunters to reconsider their hunting plans this season


Taku River Tlingit First Nation say request was made to protect vulnerable moose populations
Chris MacIntyre · CBC News · Posted: Aug 29, 2023 10:52 AM MDT | Last Updated: 6 hours ago
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The Taku River Tlingit First Nation released a statement on Monday saying their request that hunters avoid hunting on their traditional territory was made in good faith, in an effort to protect vulnerable moose populations. (CBC)

The Taku River Tlingit First Nation (TRTFN) in Atlin, B.C, is asking all hunters to avoid hunting on their traditional territory this season.

On Monday, the First Nation released a statement saying the request was made in good faith, in an effort to "take serious action to protect vulnerable moose populations on their territories."

Logan Law, a TRTFN citizen and hunter, said that she respects the request, however hunting is a traditional right and way of life for her family.

"Unfortunately, I still need food," Law said. "My elders — I hunt for my aunties — They still need food."

According to a population survey conducted by the B.C. government and released earlier this year, as of January 2022, there were only 17 bulls per 100 cows. The provincial minimum for low-density moose populations is 50 bulls per 100 cows.

The First Nation said that if something isn't done now, they next year's bull count could drop as low as 9 bulls per 100 cows.
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Logan Law said she respects her First Nation's request not to hunt in Atlin this season, however hunting is a traditional right and way of life for her family. 'Unfortunately, I still need food,' she said. 'My elders — I hunt for my aunties — They still need food.' (Logan Law)

"That's really a bad number," said Law.

"My grandma would talk about coming here and every time you'd drive down the road you'd see a moose. I haven't seen a moose here in years, except for the ones we've killed when we're really actively searching for one."

The First Nation said it's asking "all hunters from across the province" to reconsider their hunting plans. That includes its own citizens and local hunters.

Law said she feels those who live in Atlin should be exempt from the restriction.

"If anything, [for] the people who live here, it's different," she said. "The people coming from Whitehorse, or I heard of people coming from Fort Saint John, like all over it's .. really we don't have anything. We only have barely enough for our own."

"So please don't come because my way of life, we call it our Haa K̲usteeyix̲. My hunting. My elders' food is threatened.

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Law said she still plans to hunt, but she will look beyond Atlin this season out of respect for her First Nation's wishes and for the moose.

"I don't want to be the one that ends up ending it all," Law joked.

Manu Keggenhoff also lives and hunts in the Atlin area.

Although she is not Indigenous herself, she, like Law, hunts for sustenance.

She told CBC News that she's seen an increase in outside hunters coming to Atlin.
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Manu Keggenhoff also lives and hunts in the Atlin area. Although not Indigenous herself, Keggenhoff, like Law, also hunts for sustenance. She said she stands behind the Taku River Tlingit First Nation's request for hunting activities to cease this year. (Manu Keggenhoff)

"It has been really insane over the past few years," she said. "Other areas, especially in the North, but elsewhere in B.C., as well have been closed to open season hunting or are restricted. That left Atlin at a vulnerable place because everybody is coming up here."

Keggenhoff calls the situation overwhelming and that is why she said she supports the First Nations request.

She said the provincial government needs to step in to do more to protect the moose population before there's nothing left to hunt.

"I think we all have a responsibility," she said. "First Nation, non-First Nation, everyone, in the end, to monitor this and I know that the B.C., decision to not close this area just came so shortly before hunting season started when [TRTFN] put that request in a long time ago."

CBC News requested comment from B.C,'s ministry of Forests, but didn't get a response before publication.
 
Bet the council members have full freezers and bellies.

Do you say that because you know them?

Probably a pretty tough fight to get something better going on conservation wise. And if its anything like here, they're trying.

Really interesting seeing the "50 bulls per 100 cows" minimum for low population density areas though. I wonder what they consider low density? Ontario has published similar. We're working on managing a place well below that.
 
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regs have changed in that area over the years, I bet the regulated hunter take is actually pretty low already
Too many hunters just makes it tuff for the drive-by shooters during the few short openings
 
It’s looking like Atlin moose (and north skeena) are in proposal to turn to LEH in the next set of regs.

Not far away in Carcross (BC / Yukon boarder) another population drop. Sheep numbers (and leh’s) in 6-28 have dropped significantly over the past handful of years. Regional biologist was on the wssbc podcast talking about it. Her findings seemed the drop was mostly due to over harvest by “local members”.

Bit of a different apple but same tree.
 
The ones around here don't eat what they shoot, they sell it for drug/booze money in Winnipeg.

Pretty common "situation" across the country.
- In this next of the wood, the woodland caribou are a precarious situation... the government is working hard trying to "save" them... but apparently asking natives to hunt them is not an option...
 
Pretty common "situation" across the country.
- In this next of the wood, the woodland caribou are a precarious situation... the government is working hard trying to "save" them... but apparently asking natives to hunt them is not an option...

well i can tell you something for that of bc and caribou: they re open in bc not in the yukon tell me about it ...
 
It’s looking like Atlin moose (and north skeena) are in proposal to turn to LEH in the next set of regs.

Not far away in Carcross (BC / Yukon boarder) another population drop. Sheep numbers (and leh’s) in 6-28 have dropped significantly over the past handful of years. Regional biologist was on the wssbc podcast talking about it. Her findings seemed the drop was mostly due to over harvest by “local members”.

Bit of a different apple but same tree.

lol yukon env are responsible as well as those changes ... they had a very LEH or draw for us for every specific aeras and decided to put everything under one big area and 70 tags you can imagine what happened not only the harvest of first nation on that one ... so the bc was impacted but the yukon even worst ... but in the same token now the outfitter around got guaranteed tags ...
 
Maybe they should stop slaughtering Moose then ... there's no conservation.

well of course there is no conservation ... in quebec they stopped the hunt of barrenground caribous but there is still 6500 harvestable but nobody is responsible for the count ... why it will be different in west or the north.

always amazes me to see i can t go fishing lake trouts in some lakes while while some can still do it ,,, no conservation for sure.
 
Do you say that because you know them?

Probably a pretty tough fight to get something better going on conservation wise. And if its anything like here, they're trying.

Really interesting seeing the "50 bulls per 100 cows" minimum for low population density areas though. I wonder what they consider low density? Ontario has published similar. We're working on managing a place well below that.

becausr most councils fare much better than the members
 
Maybe they should stop slaughtering Moose then ... there's no conservation.

"The First Nation said it's asking "all hunters from across the province" to reconsider their hunting plans. That includes its own citizens and local hunters."

Believe it or not some bands have stricter hunting regulations than the province regulations. My government won't even give permission to hunt moose right now.
 
Personally, I have never known anyone on council or related further than cousin to not live on the band while everyone else lives with it. It’s hard to hear but, it is the experience of MANY people. Anyways, good luck with the request, I guess but that’s what we all get when the government gives away the control of the resource.
 
Everytime this topic comes up I think about a guy that lived in my first posting, northern sask native community. One day tells me he just got back from shooting 3 moose. Got a whole moose family. I said man you must love moose meat. He says no, he doesn't eat it, he just likes shooting them. #conservation.
 
Everytime this topic comes up I think about a guy that lived in my first posting, northern sask native community. One day tells me he just got back from shooting 3 moose. Got a whole moose family. I said man you must love moose meat. He says no, he doesn't eat it, he just likes shooting them. #conservation.

i know a guy that was fishing in an exclusion protected area and he was not even eating the fish ... and it was not a first nation guy ... we can always find someone not doing proper things and nothing related to where they belong too ... it will be the same if we were painting all the same gun owners the same way ...
 
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