ATRS 50 Brake

You have failed to address the many world records held by clam/gill brakes. You have failed to address your lack of knowledge on how brakes work. You have failed to address that using a 360 degree ported brake prone is a bad idea. You only thing you have succeeded at proving is your lack of knowledge. Why do you feel that this design is better? Because one world record shooter has a similar design? That's a joke, and everyone but you gets it.

R.
 
rick, from the very first coment I made you had to start telling me that i'm wrong and your right and blah blah blah just like you always do!!!!

yet i'm the one with the attitude???

Why cant anyone suggest anything with out everyone on here jumping all over them???
 
Rman said:
You have failed to address the many world records held by clam/gill brakes. You have failed to address your lack of knowledge on how brakes work. You have failed to address that using a 360 degree ported brake prone is a bad idea. You only thing you have succeeded at proving is your lack of knowledge. Why do you feel that this design is better? Because one world record shooter has a similar design? That's a joke, and everyone but you gets it.

R.
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why is a 360 ported brake a bad idea??? cuz you cant lay on the ground with it? is that the only draw back?? if that is the only draw back then you would know that i already mentioned that fact????

You go tell the guy holding the world record that his muzzel brake is a joke!!!!

were are you really trying to go with this anywayz!!!!! your not proving any valid points. All you do is try to cut me down anytime i make a suggestion!!

what every makes you happy!!!
 
That darn brake works fine and I can squeeze 1/4 MOA with consistent handloads.
It is also my favorite coyote gun. (and bear and deer and soon will try her out on an elk)

Never started a grassfire. lol
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Unfortunately there is NO supporting science to this theory. I have both on personal rifles and 1/2 moa still equals 1/2 moa.
The 2 things that ARE a facts is that the Vais brake is only 50% as effective in recoil reduction as our gill brake is and they blow all sorts of crap up from muzzle blast if the rifle is being shot from a prone position on anything short of concrete.

I fixed all your typos too.
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I'm still wating for your calculations that prove what you say to be facts?????
 
It took you six minutes, and that was the best you could come up with? You haven't addressed anything in this thread with any facts! The only thing you are spewing is mis-information and opinion. If you want to ask some questions instead of making statements I'd be more than happy to help you. You do realize that there are several guys that hold world shooting records? Which one are you talking about? Do you even know? What suggestions are you trying to make? There is a huge difference between suggestion and statement.

R.
 
colt45cz75 said:
I'm interested in the Gill brake for my HS-50.I'd like to hear from some of the other owners how you like it.Thanks.Pat.
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Pat, I'm certain you are a reasonable chap because you asked a simply reasonable question and perhaps that question got more of a response than you wanted.
Here is my offer....sitting above my loading bench is a Vais brake that once sat on the business end of my 50. If it would be of any help in answering your question, I'd be willing to send it to you....now the only way you can solve this dilemma would be to obtain a gill brake and compare, .. right ?
PM me if you are interested....
 
Rman said:
It took you six minutes, and that was the best you could come up with? You haven't addressed anything in this thread with any facts! The only thing you are spewing is mis-information and opinion. If you want to ask some questions instead of making statements I'd be more than happy to help you. You do realize that there are several guys that hold world shooting records? Which one are you talking about? Do you even know? What suggestions are you trying to make? There is a huge difference between suggestion and statement.

R.
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You really have nothing better to do i guess!!!!!!
 
As a matter of fact, I am quite surprised at how this whole thread has gone. The first time I fired my fifty from my bench, it managed to cover my balls with about 6 inches of loose snow. It is a vicious bastard. After my second session, I had fired 16 rounds of handloaded winchester 647 ball with varying charges of 5010 doing the pushing. I found the sweet spot to be 220-225 grains with nice cloverleafs at 100.After 16 rounds I was starting to get a little tender at the cheek and collarbone.Not to mention a little flinchy. I hate recoil after being beat up by a couple of Perazzi's over the last 20 years. I want to eliminate as much whomp as I can.
 
colt45cz75 said:
As a matter of fact, I am quite surprised at how this whole thread has gone. The first time I fired my fifty from my bench, it managed to cover my balls with about 6 inches of loose snow. It is a vicious bastard. After my second session, I had fired 16 rounds of handloaded winchester 647 ball with varying charges of 5010 doing the pushing. I found the sweet spot to be 220-225 grains with nice cloverleafs at 100.After 16 rounds I was starting to get a little tender at the cheek and collarbone.Not to mention a little flinchy. I hate recoil after being beat up by a couple of Perazzi's over the last 20 years. I want to eliminate as much whomp as I can.
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Colt
On a whole different issue, be careful using H5010 it was discontinued several years ago for degradation reasons.
H5010 has been known to degrade to the point of instability. When you open a can of it , smell it, if it smells strongly of chemicals in a bad way do not use it.
H50BMG or US869 are both great replacements that do not have the degradation issue of 5010. I switched over to H50 and later US869 and still found that the same loads worked as with the 5010.
As always start under your current load by several grains, but in my guns I was able to still run 230 gr and got the same accuracy as I did with the 5010.

Kevan I too have several 50 cal Vais brakes kicking around that I won't bother to ever use, the problem is with the thread on the HS being different and the diameter of the hole is larger. This is not impossible to solve ofcourse.
If 1/2 throttle had been less of an asshat I would have offered him 1 to try.

Thinking of this some more
Colt if you want to purchase 1 of our gill brakes for you HS50 I will include at no additional cost a Vais brake that is retapped for your HS.
That way you can provide us with a non biased A B comparison of the 2 designs.
 
fullthrottle8 said:
why is a 360 ported brake a bad idea??? cuz you cant lay on the ground with it? is that the only draw back?? if that is the only draw back then you would know that i already mentioned that fact????

You go tell the guy holding the world record that his muzzel brake is a joke!!!!

were are you really trying to go with this anywayz!!!!! your not proving any valid points. All you do is try to cut me down anytime i make a suggestion!!

what every makes you happy!!!
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wow, just WOW :rolleyes:
:feedTroll:
 
colt45cz75 said:
Rick, that's a deal too good to resist. I'll get the big bastard on the way to you as soon as I can.Thanks. Pat.
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Unless your barrel is not threaded, and I have yet to see a Steyr HS50 that does not already have a brake, you only ned to loosen the locking ring and spin off the current brake. Ours are ready to spin on and shoot.
You still reuse the lock ring in order to index the brake properly.

Due to Steyrs use of a lock ring this is the only brake we make that is "drop in" so to speak. All other brake installs require the rifle being shipped to us so we can install the brake and then cut the ports for proper indexing.
 
Rman said:
Keep guessing, as it suits you best.

Well done?

R.
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Good one, you are so witty and clever with your comebacks. I bet you didn't even get picked on much in high school ether hey!!!!!!!

So far you have not given a single fact or piece of supporting evidence to prove that the ATRS brake is better than the Vais. The only thing you have managed to do so far is to try and cut me down for my suggestion that it could possibly be the other way around and to say that you watched a slow motion video of a rifle being fired!!!!

So i guess that proves it then because you have seen a video and you say so!!! Ok good enough if you say so then i guess that means it's true and there cant possibly be anything better then the ATRS brake. Especially not a 360 degree ported brake on a rifle of the guy who holds the 1000 yard 50BMG benchrest world record.
 
Not to stir things up any further, but do you think that there may be more to this fellow holding the world record than just what type of brake he uses on his rifle?

Say things like reading the wind, knowing his rifle/load, reloading skills and components used? Just throwing it out there.

I'm betting with as good as he is you could give him a bone stock .50 of pretty much any make and would get damn good results with it.

Oh and just for reference, the rifle used by Rob Furlong to set the "world record" had a gill type brake on it ;)

Just saying.....

fullthrottle8 said:
Good one, you are so witty and clever with your comebacks. I bet you didn't even get picked on much in high school ether hey!!!!!!!

So far you have not given a single fact or piece of supporting evidence to prove that the ATRS brake is better than the Vais. The only thing you have managed to do so far is to try and cut me down for my suggestion that it could possibly be the other way around and to say that you watched a slow motion video of a rifle being fired!!!!

So i guess that proves it then because you have seen a video and you say so!!! Ok good enough if you say so then i guess that means it's true and there cant possibly be anything better then the ATRS brake. Especially not a 360 degree ported brake on a rifle of the guy who holds the 1000 yard 50BMG benchrest world record.
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Striker66 said:
Not to stir things up any further, but do you think that there may be more to this fellow holding the world record than just what type of brake he uses on his rifle?

Say things like reading the wind, knowing his rifle/load, reloading skills and components used? Just throwing it out there.

I'm betting with as good as he is you could give him a bone stock .50 of pretty much any make and would get damn good results with it.

Oh and just for reference, the rifle used by Rob Furlong to set the "world record" had a gill type brake on it ;)

Just saying.....
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I guess he can't pull the "world record" card anymore eh?ha:

BTW, Rob Furlong was under far more strenuous conditions when he made that shot. 1000yrd BR vs. 2200 shot while concealed and probably uncomfortable and exausted.
 
DrawBlood said:
I guess he can't pull the "world record" card anymore eh?ha:

BTW, Rob Furlong was under far more strenuous conditions when he made that shot. 1000yrd BR vs. 2200 shot while concealed and probably uncomfortable and exausted.
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THANK YOU. I was just about to post this same thing.

Anyone else think half-cocked8 needs a ban? :jerkit:

All I'll say is this - I've had my pee-pee slapped a lot worse for doing a lot less than him around here...

-M
 
fullthrottle8 said:
Good one, you are so witty and clever with your comebacks. I bet you didn't even get picked on much in high school ether hey!!!!!!!

So far you have not given a single fact or piece of supporting evidence to prove that the ATRS brake is better than the Vais. The only thing you have managed to do so far is to try and cut me down for my suggestion that it could possibly be the other way around and to say that you watched a slow motion video of a rifle being fired!!!!

So i guess that proves it then because you have seen a video and you say so!!! Ok good enough if you say so then i guess that means it's true and there cant possibly be anything better then the ATRS brake. Especially not a 360 degree ported brake on a rifle of the guy who holds the 1000 yard 50BMG benchrest world record.
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Dude, you're hopeless. High school was obviously a lot longer ago for me, than it was for you. I have never mentioned a ATRS brake once in my "conversations" with you. I don't own one, and probably never will (sorry Rick). If you actually read anything I wrote, and responded to some of my questions, you may have learned something. You obviously don't want that to happen. I have provided you with many facts that you have not bothered to confirm. Fact: there are several world records held by clam/gill brakes, including the one(s) mentioned above. Fact: Shooting a 360 degree ported brake prone sucks. Fact: Gasses exit the barrel before the bullet does. Fact: There is information all over the internet about what type of brake is more effective than another type. Fact: You are too lazy to look for this information and find out for yourself. And last but not least: Fact: You do not have a clue about what you are talking about, and that you think you can build a brake is the biggest joke to come along in a while, since you don't even understand how they work. It is bad enough that I am wasting my time with you. Not a total waste, as there is an entertainment factor to it, but that you think someone else should do your research for you is beyond laughable.

R.
 
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