ATRS 50 Brake

The big .50 is out of my budget and my firearms experience is very limited...I don't know Rick and to the best of my knowledge havent met him. I have met someone that has worked with Rick will will call that person (Bob) and by the sounds of it many hours of planning went into designing their products, being a machinist I understand this very well! (Bob) told me that at shooting competitions he attended in the states these brakes performed extremely well. (Bob) has not been in the military that I know of but takes alot training courses he also is a machinist. The people in the states who were in the military were commenting on (Bobs) brakes and couldnt believe how well they work! Clearly Rick must be doing something right to get such comments from military guys! At this event the Canadians beat the USA guys. And as striker66 and others have pointed out theres more to shooting than just muzzle breaks.

I dont understand the lack of disrespect towards Rick when you dont even know him. What I further dont understand when you clearly know nothing about machining you are quick to criticize his work fullthrottle8!
 
mad_machinist said:
I dont understand the lack of disrespect towards Rick when you dont even know him. What I further dont understand when you clearly know nothing about machining you are quick to criticize his work fullthrottle8!
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How long did you go to school for because the course I am going for is a year. That may not sound like much for a machinists course, but imagine what you can learn in a year. Think about it, you began talking at two. Thats two years that it took for you to learn a language. Just saying that you should not blast someones skill and love for something if you don't have that passion (or ability).
 
Yet another great CGN thread that will potentially get locked. Poor Rick, everything he posts in gets out of hand.:D

PS, That gill brake atrs makes looks just F'in sweet, thats a good enough reason to have one.
 
Whats with all the hate towards Rick lately?



The main reason to go for this course is so I can get a job at a place like ATRS.
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Doing regular machining is way different than gunsmith machining...The year course is a great start! Machining is different than any other trade out there, your constantly learning new things, but the mainstream trades like plumbing and electrical there comes a point where you know everything. (not knocking the mainstream trades people) Even a machinist with 40 years experience will learn something new...
 
Doing regular machining is way different than gunsmith machining...The year course is a great start! Machining is different than any other trade out there, your constantly learning new things, but the mainstream trades like plumbing and electrical there comes a point where you know everything. (not knocking the mainstream trades people) Even a machinist with 40 years experience will learn something new...
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I believe this is sort of true, I think most of the reason that you are never done learning with a machinist trade is that the technology is always advancing. With CNC, tooling and insert technology and programing processes are always getting better to meet the increasing demand of quicker better cheaper. Then you can always branch off into the drafting/3D modeling/CAM if you get bored.

But thats not to say a welder/fabricator doesn't stop learing. Always new welding processes and wire types. Welding is getting very high end with a lot of quality control along with engineering.

I'm a manual J-Machinist and I worked as a welder/fabricator for 6 years also.


So to bring my post back to topic, I really like the design of the ATRS brake from a machinist stand point. I can appreciate the design and thought that went into it. Seems like the vias is pretty basic, drill off a bunch of holes on the diameter and call it done.

Disclaimer - I've never used either brake so don't go crazy on me
 
Question Rick. To use one of your brakes on the remington 338 lapua(new one) with the standard 5/8x 24 threads, you would still need the rifle? If so are you able to cut a slit in the one side and drill/thread it for a lock bolt similar to what Richard Near does so I could just screw on the brake myself?
 
wild1 said:
Question Rick. To use one of your brakes on the remington 338 lapua(new one) with the standard 5/8x 24 threads, you would still need the rifle? If so are you able to cut a slit in the one side and drill/thread it for a lock bolt similar to what Richard Near does so I could just screw on the brake myself?
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I am probably going to start another whole shiiit storm here, but here goes
I do not subscibe to the pinch fit theory of brake attachment. I do not believe it is precise enough to allow for close tolerances of brake bore diameter, and do not feel that perfect indexing can be done this way.
To cover possible liability 1 would have to make the bore larger to allow for tolerance differences in order to ensure that the bullet never touches the brake, making the bore larger reduces the efficiency of the brake.

When we fit a brake we cut the threads of the brake to very close tolerances so it threads on tightly with no run out, then machine the outside of the brake to be concentric with the bore, then open the bore of the brake up very slightly larger than barrel bore diameter. Once the blank is attached to the barrel and line bored, the barrelled action is put in the 4 axis CNC, the absolute TDC of the action is then located, then we use this reference to index the ports to be cut at the exact angle we have found to be most efficient, which is NOT 90 degrees.
This is definately the hard way to do the job but allows for perfect indexing so the rifle does not recoil to 1 side or other and thereby throw shots.
Keeping the bore size as close to bullet diameter as possible is part of the reason our brakes are so efficient, unfortunately this efficiency has a cost, that being they are more edious to make and can not be mass produced for generic installation.

Hope that answers your question.
 
So to bring my post back to topic, I really like the design of the ATRS brake from a machinist stand point. I can appreciate the design and thought that went into it. Seems like the vias is pretty basic, drill off a bunch of holes on the diameter and call it done.
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Thats the line I was looking for!
 
Fair enough. Just found out the other brake I was looking at is now a no go. One of the guys got one and it was off the bore axis so I am not going to chance it. I sent you a PM about this but you may have missed it. What would be your turn around for a bolt handle and I guess now getting a brake installed? The reason I ask is it would be better for me to drive the rifle down to you. Just wondering if it is something we could pick a day to do it, have me drop it off in the morning and pick it up at night or if I would have to do two trips to cowtown? Thanks again.
 
wild1 said:
Fair enough. Just found out the other brake I was looking at is now a no go. One of the guys got one and it was off the bore axis so I am not going to chance it. I sent you a PM about this but you may have missed it. What would be your turn around for a bolt handle and I guess now getting a brake installed? The reason I ask is it would be better for me to drive the rifle down to you. Just wondering if it is something we could pick a day to do it, have me drop it off in the morning and pick it up at night or if I would have to do two trips to cowtown? Thanks again.
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Currently we are running about 2 weeks turnaround on small jobs like that.
I would love to be able to schedule a day and time to do something, but the reality is that every day I plan to do 10 things, and most days I get 1 or 2 actually done.
The other issue is that with every brake install I test fire the rifle for liabilty reasons and it is not always possible to do that on a moments notice as we do not have any sort of range at the shop.
 
Ok sounds good. I will give you heads up when I will drop it off and hopefully turnaround is still around that mark. Never know right.
 
Striker66 said:
Not to stir things up any further, but do you think that there may be more to this fellow holding the world record than just what type of brake he uses on his rifle?

Say things like reading the wind, knowing his rifle/load, reloading skills and components used? Just throwing it out there.

I'm betting with as good as he is you could give him a bone stock .50 of pretty much any make and would get damn good results with it.

Oh and just for reference, the rifle used by Rob Furlong to set the "world record" had a gill type brake on it ;)

Just saying.....
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Really... because i though the world record 1000 yard 50BMG group is held by lee rasmusen who happens to have a 360 degree ported brake????

Go to the FCSA website were you will find a picture of the current 1000yard record holder with his rifle!!!!
 
Doc M said:
Anyone else think half-cocked8 needs a ban? :jerkit:
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-M
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Each year the Darwin Awards are given to the persons so focused on the task at hand that they ignore their own personal well being.
The the end result is inevitable.

Unrestrained personal traits are what they are.
The end result of these is just as inevitable.

I suppose I would get in trouble for starting a pool on this matter? :D
 
I make one simple post saying that i think the 360 degree radial brake is one of the best if not the best brake out there and everyone has to turn it into this????

Good job!!!!
 
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