ATRS legal action update Nov 4 2021

alberta tactical rifle said:
Currently getting prepped for discoveries. Gathering and cataloguing data, getting TRUE experts stuff to examine and report on, financial impact studies completed. Basically all the boring crap to make things real interesting in the not too distant future.
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How does the current political interference scandal play into that?
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Currently getting prepped for discoveries.
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I'm sure you'll do fine.

I recall an older lawyer telling me that the best way to get thru discoveries was to breathe through your nose.


Of course, that is only possible if you keep your mouth shut.
He dreaded when his clients could either be "chuckled along" into quickly agreeing with opposing counsel or goaded into being too emotional/combative or evasive. All of which looks terrible on the record.

And of course clients answering too quickly prevents their counsel from objecting before they answer.

Anyway, I'm sure you're getting far better and more qualified advice.

Rest assured, we're all pulling for you.
And I'm sure you'll do fine.
 
FYI - Murray Smith is testifying at the SECU committee today on C-21, along with the strategic director of the CFP. The Conservatives have been asking about variants, and the legislative staff have been unable to answer them - so the Committee has invited representatives from the CFP. Starts at 9am in Alberta time I believe, or 11am EST. https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/SECU/meeting-51/notice
 
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Bratwurst said:
what is going on with this case? It seems to have fallen off the map
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Not at all. We have 3 REAL "firearms experts" not like the self proclaimed experts like Smith and Etter, doing a detailed examination of all 3 of our Modern series rifles.
These inspections take time as each expert has to examine 3 different rifles, compose their findings and so on.
It took the feds 3 years just to examine 1 rifle FFS. We are expecting a far shorter time for the real pro's to have a finding, but want it done right.
I think this is what has delayed our filing our affidavit of production as these reports would be evidence I believe?
 
So I have a question, if I were to pick one of these up would I be able to take it to the range or is the general consensus right now that these are restricted until clarity from the existing legal challenge is given?
 
Emzont said:
So I have a question, if I were to pick one of these up would I be able to take it to the range or is the general consensus right now that these are restricted until clarity from the existing legal challenge is given?
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The FRT is opinion, and meant to be used as a reference. Not as a legal document. The Modern Sporter is not a rifle explicitly named as banned in the OIC in 2020, which IS law.

As Ian Runkle would say; It's an interesting legal question.
 
Bratwurst said:
what is going on with this case? It seems to have fallen off the map
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What happens when the feds ban all semi detachable mag rifles? doesn't it become a moot point if this an an ar15 variant or not?

It's too bad it's taking so long. on run on MS guns before the next ban would be awesome.
 
scott said:
What happens when the feds ban all semi detachable mag rifles? doesn't it become a moot point if this an an ar15 variant or not?

It's too bad it's taking so long. on run on MS guns before the next ban would be awesome.
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Alberta tactical rifle, Keep up the good fight! don't stop!

if you have any upper/lower receives sets let me know..
 
Where is the rendered verdict from the judge?? years ??will there ever be one? & if they go ahead with c21 , it's all toilet paper anyway.
 
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If these are for sale again I’ll order 2 more to join my current 2. Biggest regret in all this gun grabbing BS is not getting more of these while they were available.

Any chance one could be setup fully ambi? I know it’d taking machining work but 2 fully ambi receiver sets with FA upper would be absolutely outstanding. :)
 
evonorth said:
The FRT is opinion, and meant to be used as a reference. Not as a legal document. The Modern Sporter is not a rifle explicitly named as banned in the OIC in 2020, which IS law.

As Ian Runkle would say; It's an interesting legal question.
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To add to this, it's essentially a case of "we don't now how the law would handle it, if police were alerted to you using one, or if you were stopped with one by police". The police will likely believe that it is prohibited, because the FRT tells them it is. Your lawyer, if you were charged, would say that it's not prohibited. The judge of the eventual court case (if it goes that far) would then determine if you were legally using it at the time that police stopped you. This would help resolve some of the concerns about it's legal status for everyone else, but it would be expensive for you to find out. If it were to go poorly for you on specifically the question of "is it prohibited", then it could impact the community negatively. If you were to win that question, then it would likely help ATRS' case against the RCMP.

The litigation that ATRS is pursuing is to argue that despite the RCMP's belief that the MS series are prohibited by the OIC, the MS series are not in fact captured by the OIC because they are not a variant of the AR15 or AR10. This is how the RCMP felt previously to the OIC, and then the FRT was edited to consider the MS series a variant of a banned platform.

The decision in this case will have serious knock-on effects as far as the legality of classifications determined by the RCMP and logged in the FRT.
 
tolan said:
To add to this, it's essentially a case of "we don't now how the law would handle it, if police were alerted to you using one, or if you were stopped with one by police". The police will likely believe that it is prohibited, because the FRT tells them it is. Your lawyer, if you were charged, would say that it's not prohibited. The judge of the eventual court case (if it goes that far) would then determine if you were legally using it at the time that police stopped you. This would help resolve some of the concerns about it's legal status for everyone else, but it would be expensive for you to find out. If it were to go poorly for you on specifically the question of "is it prohibited", then it could impact the community negatively. If you were to win that question, then it would likely help ATRS' case against the RCMP.

The litigation that ATRS is pursuing is to argue that despite the RCMP's belief that the MS series are prohibited by the OIC, the MS series are not in fact captured by the OIC because they are not a variant of the AR15 or AR10. This is how the RCMP felt previously to the OIC, and then the FRT was edited to consider the MS series a variant of a banned platform.

The decision in this case will have serious knock-on effects as far as the legality of classifications determined by the RCMP and logged in the FRT.
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Well said.
 
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