The latest from the boys at ATRS, 18.5" Jury lightweight bbl, CTR stock, 12" Fortis, ambi controls, ATRS rings and brake, with a March 2.5-25x42.
Weighs in at 10.5lbs with scope and rings but feels lighter than that. It feels slightly front heavy but that's expected with the light stock. I really like the feel of the Fortis handguard. The rifle is very quick handling and surprisingly compact in size for a semi auto .308. The fit, finish and overall quality are a 10/10. I've never seen a better build with such attention to detail. The trigger is just about perfect for a hunting rifle. It breaks very clean and has good weight.
We decided to invest a TON of money into making mags that A) we KNOW will work and B) we know we will always be able to supply, thereby greatly reducing our dependence on a maker in a foreign country. To my way of thinking the route we chose was the most responsible to our clients past, present and future despite the huge capital investment on our part.
Fine looking rifle you have there Propliner. I'm curious as to what height rings you used?
Cheers D
We CAN source these mags as we ARE allowed to import PROHIBITED mags and devices. the problem there is that they are 20 round mags so we could not sell or even give them away without breaking several laws.
These would need to be pinned to 5 rounds BEFORE they could be imported into Canada in order to sell them to anyone except an LE or military agency.
We shipped out several rifles AFTER explaining to the recipient that we did not have any XCR-M mags which we know work well. Rather than us paying full retail for the mags we felt it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available. I apologize if another retailer sold out of these before you got to them, but this is rather out of our control.
We have MANY thousands of dollars in mag inventory that is for the most part useless, so rather than continuing to spend tons of money on mags that may or may not work we decided to invest a TON of money into making mags that A) we KNOW will work and B) we know we will always be able to supply, thereby greatly reducing our dependence on a maker in a foreign country that apparently seems to not be able to supply ANY of the Canadian dealers with enough product. To my way of thinking the route we chose was the most responsible to our clients past, present and future despite the huge capital investment on our part.
Thanks for your response. Your company has a good reputation. That is what makes poor customer service stick out so much.
The facts are pretty clear. People paid for a gun that would include a magazine and many did not receive a magazine. That just simply is not good customer service. Some customers get a mag that works with their gun, others don't.
Making false statements also doesn't build trust with your customers. "it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available". I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact in my case that is 100% untrue. I was directed to an small shop in Quebec who I called instantly and they didn't have mags, weren't getting anytime soon, and hadn't had any in a while. After that I was told by ATRS they didn't know where to find any mags. and they were working on making their own.
Now all this is not a big deal but I guess it just grinds my gears a bit to see some people are getting a nice working IMI mag included, while others aren't. I'm not a business man, but I personally think it would have been better to just pay another company like IRG to pin a small amount of mags so you could get them in country so you can fulfill the commitments that were made (supplying one working magazine with your rifles). And yes obviously we know the mags would have to be pinned, but it seems your response is really just skirting the question. Typing in caps about prohibitive devices when really its just about the bottom line. I understand after the IWI mistake there isn't any money to order more mags. What I was suggesting would of been prudent is ordering just enough to ensure every gun had one working magazine.
I can't help but hold ATRS to a higher standard in these regards.
"We are still human and can make mistakes. How a problem is dealt with is what really matters." -ATRS
When mistakes are made its best to own up to it and not make excuses. It's great that you guys are making your own mags, and I'm sure it will be a great solution when they are ready to ship. All I'm offering is some constructive criticism. Overall I am VERY pleased with ATRS and my dealings with them. But I am not a kool-aid drinking fanboy who doesn't call them out when they are wrong.
Thanks for your response. Your company has a good reputation. That is what makes poor customer service stick out so much.
The facts are pretty clear. People paid for a gun that would include a magazine and many did not receive a magazine. That just simply is not good customer service. Some customers get a mag that works with their gun, others don't.
Making false statements also doesn't build trust with your customers. "it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available". I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact in my case that is 100% untrue. I was directed to an small shop in Quebec who I called instantly and they didn't have mags, weren't getting anytime soon, and hadn't had any in a while. After that I was told by ATRS they didn't know where to find any mags. and they were working on making their own.
Now all this is not a big deal but I guess it just grinds my gears a bit to see some people are getting a nice working IMI mag included, while others aren't. I'm not a business man, but I personally think it would have been better to just pay another company like IRG to pin a small amount of mags so you could get them in country so you can fulfill the commitments that were made (supplying one working magazine with your rifles). And yes obviously we know the mags would have to be pinned, but it seems your response is really just skirting the question. Typing in caps about prohibitive devices when really its just about the bottom line. I understand after the IWI mistake there isn't any money to order more mags. What I was suggesting would of been prudent is ordering just enough to ensure every gun had one working magazine.
I can't help but hold ATRS to a higher standard in these regards.
"We are still human and can make mistakes. How a problem is dealt with is what really matters." -ATRS
When mistakes are made its best to own up to it and not make excuses. It's great that you guys are making your own mags, and I'm sure it will be a great solution when they are ready to ship. All I'm offering is some constructive criticism. Overall I am VERY pleased with ATRS and my dealings with them. But I am not a kool-aid drinking fanboy who doesn't call them out when they are wrong.
Will there be some short 5 round mags for hunting.
Shoot, I cant rember if they are medium or high. Call Sean and he'll know what you need. Just tell him the objective size.
I got out today for a sight-in with my light-barreled MH and shot a few groups. The wind was gusting up to probably 15 knots and was variable so not ideal conditions by any stretch. I tried a variety of 150 and 155gr handloads and factory loads. The best loads were the Hornady 155gr OTM Match which averaged an inch or so but I seemed to have a single flier on nearly all the groups. The Steel Match were just as good and my handloads were simply not that great. Need to get out and try these again, plus some heavier bullets and under better wind conditions to see what happens.
This target had the two touching, then the flier, and then the other two. Strange. Will tighten everything up, clean and try again. The rifle was flawless in function and a pleasure to shoot. It ejected the brass into a neat little pile at my 2:30 position and six feet away.
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I've never heard a shooter refer to wind speeds as knots... We aren't on the water =)
That being said, wind would, or should only be horizontal spread. That flier isn't from wind. I can't say how to run your gun, but try NOT cleaning it.
I wouldn't mind one of these, but the price is hard to swallow, especially if they aren't shooters. My opinion of ATRS can be put aside, I do think this is a good gun for Canadians.
I like the front rail you have on the gun.
On the coast wind speed is often Measured In knots