ATRS Modern hunter specs, pics and range reports

propliner said:


The latest from the boys at ATRS, 18.5" Jury lightweight bbl, CTR stock, 12" Fortis, ambi controls, ATRS rings and brake, with a March 2.5-25x42.

Weighs in at 10.5lbs with scope and rings but feels lighter than that. It feels slightly front heavy but that's expected with the light stock. I really like the feel of the Fortis handguard. The rifle is very quick handling and surprisingly compact in size for a semi auto .308. The fit, finish and overall quality are a 10/10. I've never seen a better build with such attention to detail. The trigger is just about perfect for a hunting rifle. It breaks very clean and has good weight.
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Fine looking rifle you have there Propliner. I'm curious as to what height rings you used?

Cheers D
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
We decided to invest a TON of money into making mags that A) we KNOW will work and B) we know we will always be able to supply, thereby greatly reducing our dependence on a maker in a foreign country. To my way of thinking the route we chose was the most responsible to our clients past, present and future despite the huge capital investment on our part.
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It's indeed refreshing to see a business putting their customers future ahead of their own pocketbook.

Cheers ATRS to doing a job well done and with sound ethics.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
We CAN source these mags as we ARE allowed to import PROHIBITED mags and devices. the problem there is that they are 20 round mags so we could not sell or even give them away without breaking several laws.
These would need to be pinned to 5 rounds BEFORE they could be imported into Canada in order to sell them to anyone except an LE or military agency.

We shipped out several rifles AFTER explaining to the recipient that we did not have any XCR-M mags which we know work well. Rather than us paying full retail for the mags we felt it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available. I apologize if another retailer sold out of these before you got to them, but this is rather out of our control.

We have MANY thousands of dollars in mag inventory that is for the most part useless, so rather than continuing to spend tons of money on mags that may or may not work we decided to invest a TON of money into making mags that A) we KNOW will work and B) we know we will always be able to supply, thereby greatly reducing our dependence on a maker in a foreign country that apparently seems to not be able to supply ANY of the Canadian dealers with enough product. To my way of thinking the route we chose was the most responsible to our clients past, present and future despite the huge capital investment on our part.
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Thanks for your response. Your company has a good reputation. That is what makes poor customer service stick out so much.

The facts are pretty clear. People paid for a gun that would include a magazine and many did not receive a magazine. That just simply is not good customer service. Some customers get a mag that works with their gun, others don't.

Making false statements also doesn't build trust with your customers. "it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available". I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact in my case that is 100% untrue. I was directed to an small shop in Quebec who I called instantly and they didn't have mags, weren't getting anytime soon, and hadn't had any in a while. After that I was told by ATRS they didn't know where to find any mags. and they were working on making their own.

Now all this is not a big deal but I guess it just grinds my gears a bit to see some people are getting a nice working IMI mag included, while others aren't. I'm not a business man, but I personally think it would have been better to just pay another company like IRG to pin a small amount of mags so you could get them in country so you can fulfill the commitments that were made (supplying one working magazine with your rifles). And yes obviously we know the mags would have to be pinned, but it seems your response is really just skirting the question. Typing in caps about prohibitive devices when really its just about the bottom line. I understand after the IWI mistake there isn't any money to order more mags. What I was suggesting would of been prudent is ordering just enough to ensure every gun had one working magazine.

I can't help but hold ATRS to a higher standard in these regards.


"We are still human and can make mistakes. How a problem is dealt with is what really matters." -ATRS

When mistakes are made its best to own up to it and not make excuses. It's great that you guys are making your own mags, and I'm sure it will be a great solution when they are ready to ship. All I'm offering is some constructive criticism. Overall I am VERY pleased with ATRS and my dealings with them. But I am not a kool-aid drinking fanboy who doesn't call them out when they are wrong.
 
gunguy23 said:
Thanks for your response. Your company has a good reputation. That is what makes poor customer service stick out so much.

The facts are pretty clear. People paid for a gun that would include a magazine and many did not receive a magazine. That just simply is not good customer service. Some customers get a mag that works with their gun, others don't.

Making false statements also doesn't build trust with your customers. "it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available". I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact in my case that is 100% untrue. I was directed to an small shop in Quebec who I called instantly and they didn't have mags, weren't getting anytime soon, and hadn't had any in a while. After that I was told by ATRS they didn't know where to find any mags. and they were working on making their own.

Now all this is not a big deal but I guess it just grinds my gears a bit to see some people are getting a nice working IMI mag included, while others aren't. I'm not a business man, but I personally think it would have been better to just pay another company like IRG to pin a small amount of mags so you could get them in country so you can fulfill the commitments that were made (supplying one working magazine with your rifles). And yes obviously we know the mags would have to be pinned, but it seems your response is really just skirting the question. Typing in caps about prohibitive devices when really its just about the bottom line. I understand after the IWI mistake there isn't any money to order more mags. What I was suggesting would of been prudent is ordering just enough to ensure every gun had one working magazine.

I can't help but hold ATRS to a higher standard in these regards.


"We are still human and can make mistakes. How a problem is dealt with is what really matters." -ATRS

When mistakes are made its best to own up to it and not make excuses. It's great that you guys are making your own mags, and I'm sure it will be a great solution when they are ready to ship. All I'm offering is some constructive criticism. Overall I am VERY pleased with ATRS and my dealings with them. But I am not a kool-aid drinking fanboy who doesn't call them out when they are wrong.
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Please email me directly as what you are saying is not at all what the procedure here is and IF there was a break down in communication somehow, which can happen, I WANT to correct it.

There is a possibility that we could not get a mag to work with your rifle short of trying every one of several thousand mags that we have here.
You were credited for the mag that was built into the cost of the rifle I hope? This was what was supposed to happen for those who elected to take delivery of rifles during the timeframe in which we did not have mags that we could test fire for reliability and ship with certainty of function.

We spent a considerable amount of time trying to locate other shops who had XCR-M mags in stock and directed folks to them in order to help mitigate the problem.

I can't fix what I am unaware of, and it is impossible for me to be in control of every transaction, but I CAN try to make things right if given the chance.
 
gunguy23 said:
Thanks for your response. Your company has a good reputation. That is what makes poor customer service stick out so much.

The facts are pretty clear. People paid for a gun that would include a magazine and many did not receive a magazine. That just simply is not good customer service. Some customers get a mag that works with their gun, others don't.

Making false statements also doesn't build trust with your customers. "it was better to direct the client to a source that had them available". I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact in my case that is 100% untrue. I was directed to an small shop in Quebec who I called instantly and they didn't have mags, weren't getting anytime soon, and hadn't had any in a while. After that I was told by ATRS they didn't know where to find any mags. and they were working on making their own.

Now all this is not a big deal but I guess it just grinds my gears a bit to see some people are getting a nice working IMI mag included, while others aren't. I'm not a business man, but I personally think it would have been better to just pay another company like IRG to pin a small amount of mags so you could get them in country so you can fulfill the commitments that were made (supplying one working magazine with your rifles). And yes obviously we know the mags would have to be pinned, but it seems your response is really just skirting the question. Typing in caps about prohibitive devices when really its just about the bottom line. I understand after the IWI mistake there isn't any money to order more mags. What I was suggesting would of been prudent is ordering just enough to ensure every gun had one working magazine.

I can't help but hold ATRS to a higher standard in these regards.


"We are still human and can make mistakes. How a problem is dealt with is what really matters." -ATRS

When mistakes are made its best to own up to it and not make excuses. It's great that you guys are making your own mags, and I'm sure it will be a great solution when they are ready to ship. All I'm offering is some constructive criticism. Overall I am VERY pleased with ATRS and my dealings with them. But I am not a kool-aid drinking fanboy who doesn't call them out when they are wrong.
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As I understand it the mags don't only need to be pinned, they need to be pinned while in another country. If they come into Canada as a prohibited device, they "stay" prohibited from a sales stand point. It's pretty ridiculous when you get into the details of it because it sounds like such a simple solution, but that invisible border and our laws become a huge PITA in a big hurry. We have been in development on our mags for quite while longer than expected with multiple delays. I only mention this, as it absolutely factored into our decision in magazine acquisitions, and the quantity of XCR-M 10 rd pistol mags that we ordered in, received, and then ran out of. I apologise as I am sure it was me that emailed you the link to CRAFM, and at the time they were the only CGN sponsor whose website showed having magazines in stock. I was referring quite a few people in that direction so that could have changed.

On the positive side of things, I've been to the injection molding site twice this week and am completely confident that we will have the first mags before the Calgary gun show on March 26th & 27th.
 
jakebrake said:
Will there be some short 5 round mags for hunting.
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We are making 5 and 10 round versions, both with have the same body however which is about the length of a 15 round mag, which protrudes about 2.5" down from the magwell for ease of manipulation.
If a flush to the magwell mag is desired the 5 round XCR-M mags are your best bet, but in our experience these work best when only loaded to 4 rounds due to the staking of the mag body for limitation of capacity.
 
I was just wondering about these ASC metal ar-10 style mags that I found available. I'm very happy with my MH, but like any gun it needs some good magazines. I asked here about them so I didn't have to order some not knowing if they would work. I guess I'm going to have to.
When I asked it was made to seem impossible for you guys to get a few hundred mags from the states. I didn't know there was such a difference that a company can't get them but a regular Canadian could do so. I'm pretty new to owning firearms but I just assumed it was a mess up to ship a firearm with out a working magazine. I guess its not that big of a deal. It wasn't really a big deal to me, I found some second hand soon enough.
I wasn't credited for the mag but I wouldn't bother you guys asking for a 30 dollar refund on 5000 dollar rifle. I feel you could of handled this whole mag situation a bit better. I underestimated how difficult it was for you guys to get mags and over estimated the importance of shipping every gun with a magazine. I'm glad the new mags will be done soon and the gun will always have a good supply of working mags.
 
I got out today for a sight-in with my light-barreled MH and shot a few groups. The wind was gusting up to probably 15 knots and was variable so not ideal conditions by any stretch. I tried a variety of 150 and 155gr handloads and factory loads. The best loads were the Hornady 155gr OTM Match which averaged an inch or so but I seemed to have a single flier on nearly all the groups. The Steel Match were just as good and my handloads were simply not that great. Need to get out and try these again, plus some heavier bullets and under better wind conditions to see what happens.




This target had the two touching, then the flier, and then the other two. Strange. Will tighten everything up, clean and try again. The rifle was flawless in function and a pleasure to shoot. It ejected the brass into a neat little pile at my 2:30 position and six feet away.

 
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How far are you shooting for this group?

I must admit that I've hummed and hawwwed over this rifle for a while and I never order for two sticking points really. The first is the long delivery, which I can kinda live with, the second is the gimmicky charging handle. I just don't like it and I cant get past it. It prevents the installation of the very butt stock I would most prefer to put on such a rifle. I'd rather just a traditional stud out the right side like 99 percent of guns out there. The next point is the price which is ridiculous for what it is and for the price it should better ring all my bells, but hey... it aint restricted right. So with that in mind I keep stalling on my order in the hopes that a design change drifts in.


propliner said:
I got out today for a sight-in with my light-barreled MH and shot a few groups. The wind was gusting up to probably 15 knots and was variable so not ideal conditions by any stretch. I tried a variety of 150 and 155gr handloads and factory loads. The best loads were the Hornady 155gr OTM Match which averaged an inch or so but I seemed to have a single flier on nearly all the groups. The Steel Match were just as good and my handloads were simply not that great. Need to get out and try these again, plus some heavier bullets and under better wind conditions to see what happens.




This target had the two touching, then the flier, and then the other two. Strange. Will tighten everything up, clean and try again. The rifle was flawless in function and a pleasure to shoot. It ejected the brass into a neat little pile at my 2:30 position and six feet away.

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I know it taking forever to get my 338 upper it was supposed to be done in January and still waiting I hope it Worth the long wait (not complaining just saying )
 
I've never heard a shooter refer to wind speeds as knots... We aren't on the water =)

That being said, wind would, or should only be horizontal spread. That flier isn't from wind. I can't say how to run your gun, but try NOT cleaning it.

I wouldn't mind one of these, but the price is hard to swallow, especially if they aren't shooters. My opinion of ATRS can be put aside, I do think this is a good gun for Canadians.

I like the front rail you have on the gun.
 
Shibby! said:
I've never heard a shooter refer to wind speeds as knots... We aren't on the water =)

That being said, wind would, or should only be horizontal spread. That flier isn't from wind. I can't say how to run your gun, but try NOT cleaning it.

I wouldn't mind one of these, but the price is hard to swallow, especially if they aren't shooters. My opinion of ATRS can be put aside, I do think this is a good gun for Canadians.

I like the front rail you have on the gun.
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On the coast wind speed is often Measured In knots
 
carverk said:
On the coast wind speed is often Measured In knots
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yeah, and the marine radio is given the wind report in Knots over and over all day long, so one kinda gets use to saying knots.

Also no one says its windy out today, instead they say "its blowing 30 or whatever" and are referring to knots.

I guess its a coastal thing :)
 
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