ATRS Update: May 20th 2020 Re: MS / MH / MV

ATRS Shaun said:
We have set up a GoFundMe, BUT we were having some complications regarding linking an account to it. When I get the go-ahead, I'll post the link.
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Have a couple hundred waiting for your cause.
Have donated to the others already.

What’s one less gun this year, to support our future.
 
RyoTHC said:
Have a couple hundred waiting for your cause.
Have donated to the others already.

What’s one less gun this year, to support our future.
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That's basically it, I'd rather spend my fun money this year to ensure we can all spend it on the hobby we all love in the future.
 
ATRS Shaun said:
We have set up a GoFundMe, BUT we were having some complications regarding linking an account to it. When I get the go-ahead, I'll post the link.
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Money waiting for when you are ready :d

Also please post a separate thread for the donation link so it doesn't get lost in here.
 
steamy teabag said:
Could he be held legally responsible for financial damages. Serious question.
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I have serious doubts about that.

This video is covering US law enforcement, but there's a solid amount of ass-covering built right in to not just their union agreements, but even the criminal code within Canada too. Some of it necessary, some of it excessive.
 
I call BS on using firearms that may or may not be banned.

If the government has declared them "unfit for use" then it is their responsibility to inform people. If it's not in the Gazette and nowhere to be found publicly, there is no way charges will hold up in court.

While "ignorance of the law is no excuse", I'm certain one cannot be convicted of breaking a law nobody knows about.
 
Rohann said:
I call BS on using firearms that may or may not be banned.

If the government has declared them "unfit for use" then it is their responsibility to inform people. If it's not in the Gazette and nowhere to be found publicly, there is no way charges will hold up in court.

While "ignorance of the law is no excuse", I'm certain one cannot be convicted of breaking a law nobody knows about.
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I do not think the Crown would charge if they have issues with their case. I'd say this whole situation wouldn't be ideal and although an officer would arrest you, it is highly unlikely they would prosecute.
 
sharpee said:
I do not think the Crown would charge if they have issues with their case. I'd say this whole situation wouldn't be ideal and although an officer would arrest you, it is highly unlikely they would prosecute.
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As such, while I think it prudent to keep up with the OIC, I think the FRT should be completely ignored by the public. What they may or may not arbitrarily add down the road and out of the public eye should indeed be monitored, but I don't think we should play their games, especially since we aren't supposed to have access to it either.

CFO's are also completely hit and miss with what is actually legal. There is a bizarre amount of ignorance within the RCMP broadly as to what our gun laws actually are, but I don't really blame them given how absurd and obscure they tend to be.
 
45ACPKING said:
yes, I have the BC Metis Harvesters card for migratory game birds..... it does not cover any other species. Not to derail the thread, but the harvesters card is a joke. I only have it as a formality but I believe it needs to be abolished and metis in bc should have the same access to the land and waters of Canada as first nations do. The bc metis nation is too busy trying to act like politicians and pander to the government process rather than actively making claim to our "rights" under S35 as other metis nations have done.
The OIC is open to interpretation as well and will a BC CO or rcmp uphold my s35 rights or will they say I am not on my treaty lands so I am a criminal. Treaty 6 lands , where our family line originates, are in alberta but I was born and raised in bc.
My overall point in this thread is that while I don't own any atrs product, and it appears the prime minstrel has exempted me from the ban for 2years (maybe? depending on interpretation), I will be donating funds as my budget permits to fight this OIC for all of us.
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While at a game stop in williams lake I asked a CO about my wife's BC metis harvester card for hunting waterfowl. He informed me that if he caught someone hunting with just a harvester card and no waterfowl license that he would charge them to the fullest extent possible. He was quite hostile about the question.
 
Saskatchewan stepping up.

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Dylio said:
Contacted the Alberta Fire Arms office today to check my equipment and compare the public FRT with the live hidden one. This is what I was told:
Modern Hunter - prohibited. Does not matter if the public FRT and my paper work state Non Restricted. I responded that it was my hunting rifle and my FRT stated it was not a varient of the AR10/15 platform. They responded with because the rifle had tactical in the name, it was flagged. I also inquired if the FRT was law, they didn’t answer that question but said if I was caught Ising it I could be arrested and charged. I was also told that all “tactical type” rifles are under review and anyone with a PAL will be getting a letter in the mail stating that with the ongoing changes it will be in our best interest to call the chief fire arms office to see if our property has been recently changed.

There you go. We will need to call in and ask if we can use our own property.... and this was the Alberta..... even Quebec seems more reasonable. .
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They’re banning firearms based on their name?

Well it’s safe to say that the Bushmaster Adaptive Combat Rifle is on the chopping block..
 
Dont forget the mossberg PLINKSTER

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Plinkster

Prohibited. Because no good can come from plinksting. It was designed to plink as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. It is not reasonable for plinksting in canada.
 
Rotorwash said:
While at a game stop in williams lake I asked a CO about my wife's BC metis harvester card for hunting waterfowl. He informed me that if he caught someone hunting with just a harvester card and no waterfowl license that he would charge them to the fullest extent possible. He was quite hostile about the question.
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and he would be dead wrong because he has zero jurisdiction over S35 Indigenous rights.
Any CO that violates S35 rights is violating the charter and is subject to full prosecution under the law
I have been told this:

If I am approached by a CO while exercising S35 rights, show any applicable licenses and tags along with the Metis Harvesters Card and Metis Citizenship card. I am hunting under the provisions of the Metis Harvesters card, a BC Wildlife officer has zero jurisdiction. If he persists along a wrongful avenue he/she is in direct violation of S35 and I will immediately stop talking to him and deny him access to any property or wildlife in my hand until an RCMP officer is called to the scene. The RCMP officer will be given the number for both the Captain of the hunt for the applicable region as well as the Metis Natural Resource Officer and Metis Nation President.

Then there is the matter of the two First Nations Councils that have afforded me, in writing, permission to harvest and fish on treaty territory. Here the CO's have no say at all and I can harvest whatever I am given permission by the band to harvest. I must recognize tradition and share with the elders a portion of my harvest as per the culture of the first nation who's permission has been granted. CO's and RCMP have ground my gears in the past, you just need to know your schitt and not back down and conduct yourself as a professional.

I would have gotten that CO's name and forwarded it to the Captain of the Hunt for region 5.
 
This is the next piece of the puzzle, terrible news, we all know where this is headed... Let's keep up the fight it's now or never!
Thanks for the info Dylio, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!!! I've told some people about the whole calling in to see if its prohib thing and the possible consequences!! Someone I know just got a letter from Ottawa RCMP but they have not opened yet. I'm assuming this is going to be about the "new changes".

I cant believe atrs is getting screwed cus of the name of their company??? Over a lousy word! That's insane but I do believe that the RCMP would do something like this... not like their reasoning made sense before either...
 
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