ATT - first handgun
- Thread starter bigmagnus
- Start date
If you speak with the CFO or RCMP they will tell you if no one is home to accept the package then you will need another ATT to get it from the postal outlet to your home.
I know this becuase I am on the same boat as you are so I inquired to be safe.
I know this becuase I am on the same boat as you are so I inquired to be safe.
- Location
- Calgary, Alberta, Canada
There is like 4 threads plus on this very issue of ATT's! MODS can you please set up one thread with the correct answers! I am new to this ATT stuff and its killin me reading 100 plus opinions on this topic! This is choas! and getting very confusing, especially for myself as I am new to this topic! I would greatly like one answer and perferably the correct one! Thanks!
"I didn't know what it was." doesn't cut it. Like bigguy1 says, you need it to be legal.
Her Majesty's Canadian Postal Service can only carry firearms if they're shipped by a business too. The Signature Required part doesn't always happen either. It's supposed to, but the postie doesn't know what's in any package. They sometimes leave 'em between the doors.
Her Majesty's Canadian Postal Service can only carry firearms if they're shipped by a business too. The Signature Required part doesn't always happen either. It's supposed to, but the postie doesn't know what's in any package. They sometimes leave 'em between the doors.
MudChucker
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- Location
- Niverville, Manitoba, CA
when I called the CFO I was told that when I bought the gun, the seller would have to initiate a transfer and that the transfer would be stuck in limbo as I did not have the ATT... so the seller wouldnt ship without confirmation of the transfer...
is this not the case ?
is this not the case ?
For those of you who are saying you need an ATT.
I sure hope you remember to bring a trigger lock and locked container as well. You'd better be ready to open your parcel in at the post office or in your car and attach said devices.
Otherwise your knowingly transporting a restricted firearm that isn't properly secured.
I sure hope you remember to bring a trigger lock and locked container as well. You'd better be ready to open your parcel in at the post office or in your car and attach said devices.
Otherwise your knowingly transporting a restricted firearm that isn't properly secured.
- Location
- London, Ontario
Those things are provided by the seller otherwise it would be illegal to ship them would it not? I know the gun I just purchased comes with a hard locked case and trigger lock. I assumed this was standard practice when shipping. I could be wrong as this is my first purchase. But I do know what both the CFO and RCMP told me.
I'm sure a lot of people doesn't trigger lock before shipping, but according to Canada Post they should.
From Canada Post website
http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/pgnonmail-e.asp#1378242
Firearms (including imitation and replica firearms)
Please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre at www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca or by calling 1-800-731-4000 to determine whether it is permissible to ship your firearms.
When it is determined permissible to ship firearms, they must be shipped as follows:
Customer Type................................Service To Be Used
Non-contract Customer----------------Regular Parcel with Signature option
Contract Customer---------------------Expedited Parcel with the Proof of Age (18 or 19) with Signature option using Electronic Shipping Tools (EST). Visit section 5.3.1 “Mail Addressed to Children” of the “ABCs of Mailing” chapter for an age of majority by province or territory listing.
There cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package. Bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods and cannot be mailed. These items fall under Class 1 (Explosives) of the Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act.
Customers who wish to ship firearms must :
* unload the firearms
* attach a secure locking device to the firearms
* lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container and
* remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The Customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.
From Canada Post website
http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/pgnonmail-e.asp#1378242
Firearms (including imitation and replica firearms)
Please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre at www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca or by calling 1-800-731-4000 to determine whether it is permissible to ship your firearms.
When it is determined permissible to ship firearms, they must be shipped as follows:
Customer Type................................Service To Be Used
Non-contract Customer----------------Regular Parcel with Signature option
Contract Customer---------------------Expedited Parcel with the Proof of Age (18 or 19) with Signature option using Electronic Shipping Tools (EST). Visit section 5.3.1 “Mail Addressed to Children” of the “ABCs of Mailing” chapter for an age of majority by province or territory listing.
There cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package. Bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods and cannot be mailed. These items fall under Class 1 (Explosives) of the Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act.
Customers who wish to ship firearms must :
* unload the firearms
* attach a secure locking device to the firearms
* lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container and
* remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The Customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.
From RCMP's Website
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm
Transporting Firearms
Frequently Asked Questions
* Do I need authorization to transport my firearms from one location to another?
* How do I obtain an authorization to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm?
* Can I send firearms in the mail?
Q. Do I need authorization to transport my firearms from one location to another?
Any time you personally transport a restricted or prohibited firearm within Canada, you need an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm is located or where it will be entering Canada. You do not need an ATT for firearms that are being shipped by licensed carrier or for non-restricted firearms that you are transporting yourself.
Q. How do I obtain an authorization to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm?
If you have a valid Canadian firearms licence authorizing you to possess that class of firearm, you can apply by calling 1 800 731-4000 or by submitting form CAFC 679 to the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province or territory where the firearm is located.
If you are a non-resident and are using a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration to bring a restricted firearm to Canada for an approved purpose such as target shooting, you will need to apply for an ATT by phone when you reach your point of entry. All of the CFO offices can generally be accessed from 9.a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday to Friday, in all Canadian time zones, by calling 1 800 731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or 1 506 624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.) Keep these hours in mind when making your travel arrangements.
If you will be arriving outside of the CFO’s regular weekday office hours, you may wish to contact the applicable CFO in advance to see if you can make other arrangements for obtaining an ATT.
Q. Can I send firearms in the mail?
You may ship restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms and prohibited handguns from one Canadian location to another Canadian location if you use the most secure method offered by Canada Post that requires a signature upon delivery. Prohibited firearms, other than prohibited handguns, and firearms being shipped across the Canadian border, must be shipped by an individual or carrier company licensed under the Firearms Act to transport those classes of firearms.
You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents.
IMO if you receive the parcel at the door you don't need any ATT, but if you have to physically go down to the post office to pick it up, then you would need a ATT valid from the post office to your home as YOU will be transporting a restricted firearm.
But then again, I could be wrong.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm
Transporting Firearms
Frequently Asked Questions
* Do I need authorization to transport my firearms from one location to another?
* How do I obtain an authorization to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm?
* Can I send firearms in the mail?
Q. Do I need authorization to transport my firearms from one location to another?
Any time you personally transport a restricted or prohibited firearm within Canada, you need an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm is located or where it will be entering Canada. You do not need an ATT for firearms that are being shipped by licensed carrier or for non-restricted firearms that you are transporting yourself.
Q. How do I obtain an authorization to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm?
If you have a valid Canadian firearms licence authorizing you to possess that class of firearm, you can apply by calling 1 800 731-4000 or by submitting form CAFC 679 to the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) of the province or territory where the firearm is located.
If you are a non-resident and are using a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration to bring a restricted firearm to Canada for an approved purpose such as target shooting, you will need to apply for an ATT by phone when you reach your point of entry. All of the CFO offices can generally be accessed from 9.a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Monday to Friday, in all Canadian time zones, by calling 1 800 731-4000 (Canada and the U.S.) or 1 506 624-5380 (outside Canada and the U.S.) Keep these hours in mind when making your travel arrangements.
If you will be arriving outside of the CFO’s regular weekday office hours, you may wish to contact the applicable CFO in advance to see if you can make other arrangements for obtaining an ATT.
Q. Can I send firearms in the mail?
You may ship restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms and prohibited handguns from one Canadian location to another Canadian location if you use the most secure method offered by Canada Post that requires a signature upon delivery. Prohibited firearms, other than prohibited handguns, and firearms being shipped across the Canadian border, must be shipped by an individual or carrier company licensed under the Firearms Act to transport those classes of firearms.
You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents.
IMO if you receive the parcel at the door you don't need any ATT, but if you have to physically go down to the post office to pick it up, then you would need a ATT valid from the post office to your home as YOU will be transporting a restricted firearm.
But then again, I could be wrong.
The people saying you do not need a short term ATT to transport from/to post office, are only saying so because they are of the opinion that it does not make sense, and that you are violating transport regulation anyways, unless you open package in post office, attach trigger lock and put in locked case.
That's their opinion.
You call your CFO, they will say you need an ATT, and everything else doesn't matter and is irrelevant. It's a bureaucracy. It doesn't have to make sense. It just is. It's how government works; there's a problem, they make a regulation, and the problem is now solved.
Call your CFO, find out first hand, make sure. You know when your package will arrive, get an ATT for that day, +/- 2 days or whatever the CFO will let you do, go to the post office with the piece of paper, and you're legal.
That's their opinion.
You call your CFO, they will say you need an ATT, and everything else doesn't matter and is irrelevant. It's a bureaucracy. It doesn't have to make sense. It just is. It's how government works; there's a problem, they make a regulation, and the problem is now solved.
Call your CFO, find out first hand, make sure. You know when your package will arrive, get an ATT for that day, +/- 2 days or whatever the CFO will let you do, go to the post office with the piece of paper, and you're legal.
