Atten Alberta Hunters

martinbns said:
FWIW, this type of thing has worked in several western states, most notably South Dakota, the ranchers were encouraged/paid to let the natural habitat return and in return they had to allow hunting access. Apparently it is considered a succes by all parties.
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Heres what it looks like in Utah.
offers trophy bull elk, mule deer, bear and cougar hunts in several limited entry units and on private lands in Utah. Limited entry bull tags take many years to draw, so when you finally see the word "SUCCESSFUL" on the draw results page, give us a call. It's a once-in-a-lifetime hunt and you'll want to make the most of it.

Conservation and landowner bull tags are also available. Most range between $7,000 and $25,000. Archery, muzzleloader, early rifle, and late rifle hunts are all available and we have guides ready to help.

Our private land deer tags are available directly from us. Please, give us a call for rates and availability.

Bear and cougar tags are also available through the state draw system and via conservation tags. Call for rates and additional details.
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There is a substantial loss of general tags under this program so I don't know too many hunters who would consider this a sucess unless they were eager to fork over dough to hunt? Also, if an outfitter is charging $20 000 and paying a rancher to ensure Trophy hunts for his client what do suppose the likelyhood is that a resident tag holder is going to access prime terrain?

First draft of RAMP:

Recreational access management Program (RAMP) - compensates private landowners for providing habitat and recreational access for hunting and fishing to the public.
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Current proposal:

Recreational access management Program (RAMP) - Landowners voluntarily enroll their private lands and commit to provide access opportunities for hunting and fishing.
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Seems providing habitat was just a negociation tool.
 
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Sounds crappy!!! have a question,

Does the HFH (once the have sold their tags) have to allow any hunter/angler who seeks permission on or can they still limit the number of persons allowed on, or can they just allow people they may know who will repeatedly hunt the areas?
 
I think you have the wrong impression there. This is not the case. There will be regular licences and draw licences in these areas. And resident hunters with those types of licences will be allowed access on the lands of those involved in the HFH program
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Some guy named Duffy started a thread on AOB and I just cut and pasted this infor from it.

WMU 300

Antlerled Elk 12
Antlerless Elk 130
Antlered Moose 1
Antlered Mule deer 4 (Quota goes up 2 HFH gets 6)
Antlerless Mule deer 8

Decrease in hunting opportunities 155

WMU 108

Antlered Elk Gain 8
Antlerless Elk 65
Antlered Mule Deer 19
Antlerless Mule Deer 162
Antelope 3

Decrease in hunting opportunities 241

Total opportunities lost 396.
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So even if we can get drawn or buy "over the counter tags" The overall number of tags decreases to accomindate the Landowner tag$. Also:

The HFH units will also be getting non draw tags. Antlered Whitetail and Bear.
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And to top it off, under the HFH proposal this will be administered/enforced by a contractor.

Duffy, if you know the Duffy over on AOB you should tell him there's a bunch of questions for him on the thread he started.
 
mini-moose said:
Sounds crappy!!! have a question,

Does the HFH (once the have sold their tags) have to allow any hunter/angler who seeks permission on or can they still limit the number of persons allowed on, or can they just allow people they may know who will repeatedly hunt the areas?
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As I've stated, I'm far from being an expert or even up to speed with this thing. I suggest you look on outdoorsmenforum dotca and check out any hot topic thread with more than 2 pages of responses. There are people who can do a far better job than me answering your questions.
 
I have looked on the AO forums. Does anyone know or have read anything on the government website. I have looked quickly but couldn't find a thing about "open spaces"
 
Somebaody with more computer knowledge and ability, please find a link so we can start writing the people in power, specifically Morton. I have met the man, and he wasn't the type to come up with somehting like this. We need to let him know that land ownership should not include wildlife ownership.
 
rem338win said:
Somebaody with more computer knowledge and ability, please find a link so we can start writing the people in power, specifically Morton. I have met the man, and he wasn't the type to come up with somehting like this. We need to let him know that land ownership should not include wildlife ownership.
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So far Ted Aint talking(To me or anyone I've dealt with) and the Gov is silent.
 
This thing stinks...Just sent off a letter to my MLA, Morton, Stelmach, and the liberal Taft.

I was reading the document provided on AO from the meeting in southern alberta by U of C. Found it strange that a proposal in wmu 300 would allow an outfitter to increase their base tag allocation (10%) to up to an additional 15% if they purchase tags from HFH. So now they could have a total of 25% of the allotted tags.!!!!! What the *&*^ is up with that. Why wouldn't they buy up the HFH tags to make some extra cash.
 
Here's a comment from the most recent meeting.

One landowner stood up and said if this was not approved within the next 6-8 months he would call the Indians and Métis to come in and wipe out the wildlife on his property.
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Although from what I understand most if not all the landowners are not interested in simply allowing resident hunters access, they can see themselves allowing guided nonresidents who pay for access.

They are essentially holding habitat and animal populations hostage to force this thing through.
 
http://www.srd.gov.ab.ca/
You can see how badly the govt. wants the public to know about Open spaces.

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home
You can find all the mla's here

http://www.afga.org//content.html?identifier=executivestaff
Please let your local F&G know how you feel. It seems that the AFGA does not have the best interest of their members in mind. There is documentation that the AFGA is supporting open spaces. Although, there is a resolution to be tabled at the annual meeting to be put to vote. (This is why you need to let your local club know)
 
guido said:
http://www.srd.gov.ab.ca/
You can see how badly the govt. wants the public to know about Open spaces.

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home
You can find all the mla's here

http://www.afga.org//content.html?identifier=executivestaff
Please let your local F&G know how you feel. It seems that the AFGA does not have the best interest of their members in mind. There is documentation that the AFGA is supporting open spaces. Although, there is a resolution to be tabled at the annual meeting to be put to vote. (This is why you need to let your local club know)
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Thanks Guido.
 
Here's a list of people that you might want to send the odd letter to. Especially the last part of the list.

Working Group Committee Representation (The group that developed the pilot to this point)
University of Calgary
Cormack Gates Ph. D Email:ccgates@nucleus.com Web:http://poli.ucalgary.ca/wildlifestewardship/

Alberta Beef Producers
Rich Smith, General Manager RichS@albertabeef.org (403) 451-1183
Lori Creech, Communications Manager loric@albertabeef.org (403) 451-1179
Rick Burton, Board Chairman, Working Group Member rgburton@xplornet.com (403) 625-2234

Western Stock Growers Association
Russel Pickett, President Box 185, Bassano, AB T0J 0B0
Darryl Carlson Box 11, Pincher Creek, AB T0K 1W0 dcarlson@telus.net

Alberta Fish and Game Executive:
Quentin Bochar bochar1@telusplanet.net
Al Plantinga almel@telusplanet.net
Andy Boyd aboyd@alberta.com
Carole Romaniuk carlena13@shaw.ca
Conrad Fennema chfenn@telus.net
Don Koziol Don.Koziol@ehs.ualberta.ca
Fred Stamper coedstamper@aol.com
George Belter gkblil@netkaster.ca
Gord Poirier Poirier.GR@forces.gc.ca
John Kyndessen smokyn@sasktel.net
Maurice Nadeau moework@telusplanet.net
Randy Collins rdcoll@shaw.ca
Rob McKenzie robsfga@shaw.ca
Steve Witiuk ramwitiu@telus.net
Wayne Lowry wayne.lowry@fcc-fac.ca

Alberta Professional Outfitters Association
Colin W. Reichle, Managing Director Alberta Professional Outfitters Society #103, 6030 - 88 Street Edmonton, Alberta T6E 6G4 Tel: 780.414.0249 E-mail: colin@apos.ab.ca Web: www.apos.ab.ca

Hunting for Tomorrow Foundation
Bob Gruszecki, Chairman robert_gruszecki@ezpost.com 403 319 2275
Kelly Semple, Executive Director ksemple@huntingfortomorrow.com

Alberta Conservation Association
Doug Manzer Doug.Manzer@gov.ab.ca
Jim Allen, Head, Game and Priority Species, Wildlife Management Branch, 9920 108 Street
Edmonton. T5K 2M4 Tel 780-427-4194 Cell 403-844-0162 James.Allen@gov.ab.ca

Alberta Association of Municipal Districts & Counties (AAMDC)
2510 Sparrow Drive, Nisku, AB T9E 8N5 (780) 955.3639 aamdc@aamdc.com

Cabinet Policy Committee on Government Services (Program should have to pass this group next)
Mr. Wayne Cao, MLA — Calgary-Fort (Chair)
Hon. Lloyd Snelgrove, President of the Treasury Board, Minister of Service Alberta (Vice-Chair)
Hon. Ron Stevens, Minister of Justice
Hon. Lyle Oberg, Minister of Finance
Hon. Guy Boutilier, Minister of International, Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Relations
Hon. Fred Lindsay, Solicitor General and Minister of Public Security
Hon. Gene Zwozdesky, Associate Minister for Capital Planning
Ms. Pearl Calahasen, MLA — Lesser Slave Lake
Ms. Alana DeLong, MLA — Calgary-Bow
Mr. Denis Ducharme, MLA — Bonnyville-Cold Lake
Ms. Heather Forsyth, MLA — Calgary-Fish Creek
Mr. Ty Lund, MLA — Rocky Mountain House
Mr. Richard Marz, MLA — Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills
Mr. Hung Pham, MLA — Calgary-Montrose
Premier Ed Stelmach (Ex Officio)

To contact your MLA go to: http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_report
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It appears that the interested parties don't want any public input or INVOLVEMENT. Remember when TED MORTON was running for premier...
Preserving our Environment. We need to protect our water, land and wildlife so that future generations of Albertans will enjoy the same high quality of life as we do.
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