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ok, page 25 of the 2005 rule book....

PERMITTED MODIFICATIONS
6. Conversion from rimmed to rimless ammunition

can I get a clarification on that, that would allow me to shoot 45auto in my 45LC because thru moonclipping conversion I am converting the gun to shoot "rimless" ammunition.

using 45GAP instead of 45ACP is not a conversion.... but if you wanted to be picky I could say I am converting the gun to shoot .45GAP instead of .45AUTO.
 
Tim check your emails. You won't get your gun included by writing on this forum or any other. I suspect this combination just was not considered when the rule book was amended. My email sets out the process.

Take Care

Bob
 
and whats wrong with free and open discussion on the subject here in this forum, I know the National AC is paying attention to it and posting here is less likely to be deleted like it would over at the other canadian "site".

“In any war, the first casualty is common sense, and the second is free and open discussion” James Reston
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Nothing Tim but if you send me the details I will be happy to write in. I think you have a case and I don't think it should be a problem. That said it will be up to HQ. I do know it won't happen by just talking about it here. The question becomes do you want to see if we can solve your problem or do you just want to talk about it. I suspect it is the former.

Take Care

Bob
 
TIM_COX said:
667,

IDPA is promoting "multigun" not 3 gun competition... not sure what the difference is
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Maybe "multigun" includes bolt action long range stuff... Hell, even in 3-gun you can end up using 4-5 different guns... :D
Other than the psuedo "tacticalness" of IDPA I doubt there's much diff.

Either way... It's all trigger time and that is good.


TIM_COX said:
another good 3 gun site, http://www.michigan3guncombat.com/
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Yup... Been shooting BWSA's matches pretty much every month for the past several years... 'Will be there Saturday for yet another day of runnin' an' gunnin' :)
 
667 said:
Maybe "multigun" includes bolt action long range stuff... Hell, even in 3-gun you can end up using 4-5 different guns... :D
Other than the psuedo "tacticalness" of IDPA I doubt there's much diff.

Either way... It's all trigger time and that is good.




Yup... Been shooting BWSA's matches pretty much every month for the past several years... 'Will be there Saturday for yet another day of runnin' an' gunnin' :)
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Calling for nice weather too....but who knows, its Michigan
 
Onagoth said:
Calling for nice weather too....but who knows, its Michigan
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Yeah... 'remember this day... :D

Slight chance of rain...

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And this day.....? Not too wierd 'cept it was August

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Canuck44 wrote:
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The Ruger Redhawk, .454 Casull, assuing it can make for ESR, cuting the barrel to 4.2", reduces the weight to meet ESR limitations hs been declared legal for IDPA ESR Division when using .45acp cartridges in moon cips. The gun's cylinder must be cut to accept .45acp moon clips. This had been confirmed with HQ. I will email HQ decision to those shooters who require a copy of this decision upon request.
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Ok but now the other stipulation is that I make weight, I can and do... but what about people who take advantage of the canadian exemption for a 6" barrel..... a 6" mdl 686 weighs 44 oz's which is 2 oz's more then the 42 allowed in SSR, so follwoing that lead then as long as you do not cut the barrel back far enough to be"USA" legal then you can ignore the weight limitations along with the 4.2" US restriction. (if you only want to shoot in canada)

can we get a ruling on that as well.... since steve shirleys post from 2007 on the IDPA Canada forum in the "exemptions" area does not talk about weight, only about barrels up to 6" allowed. Also if idpacanada is goign to be the "quasi" official site can we get all the exemptions listed in the "exemption" area and not spread out over the forum.
 
TIM_COX said:
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Ok but now the other stipulation is that I make weight, I can and do... but what about people who take advantage of the canadian exemption for a 6" barrel..... a 6" mdl 686 weighs 44 oz's which is 2 oz's more then the 42 allowed in SSR, so follwoing that lead then as long as you do not cut the barrel back far enough to be"USA" legal then you can ignore the weight limitations along with the 4.2" US restriction. (if you only want to shoot in canada)

can we get a ruling on that as well.... since steve shirleys post from 2007 on the IDPA Canada forum in the "exemptions" area does not talk about weight, only about barrels up to 6" allowed. Also if idpacanada is goign to be the "quasi" official site can we get all the exemptions listed in the "exemption" area and not spread out over the forum.
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Any stock 5" or 6" barrelled revolver maybe used in Canada for Sanctioned and Non-Sanctioned Matches. The revolvers weight must be within the manuacturers specifications.

The three Canadian Exemptions are listed on the IDPA Canada website and have been since they were granted.

Take Care

Bob
 
so the revolver weight must be within "manufactuers" specifications... that does not answer the question if 6 inch revolvers that EXCEED the 42 oz SSR or 50 oz ESR .

so what if a 7.5" revolver where modified to a 6" barrel length, would that qualify it for whatever class it is suitable, even if it does not make the weight limitations.
 
My understanding has been that the weight limit was to be disregarded for Canadian exemption revolvers.

IE: if my 4" M28 weighs 42.5 oz I have to run it in ESR, but I could run a 6" M28 in SSR.
 
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so the revolver weight must be within "manufactuers" specifications... that does not answer the question if 6 inch revolvers that EXCEED the 42 oz SSR or 50 oz ESR .

Stock 5" and 6" guns maybe used and must make the manufacturers specifications for the weight for that model with that barrel.

so what if a 7.5" revolver where modified to a 6" barrel length, would that qualify it for whatever class it is suitable, even if it does not make the weight limitations.

The exemption covers stock pistols in their original configuration with either 5" or 6" barrels.
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The intent of this exemption is to allow us to potentially have a deeper field of revolver shooters at our matches. MD's of Sanctioned Matches are folks who have the ability to understand the rule/exemption and use their judgement on it's application. The weight limit is not totally disregarded. It is subject to the above. I know of no instances where this has been a problem at any of our Sanctioned Matches and don't foresee one.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
The intent of this exemption is to allow us to potentially have a deeper field of revolver shooters at our matches. MD's of Sanctioned Matches are folks who have the ability to understand the rule/exemption and use their judgement on it's application. The weight limit is not totally disregarded. It is subject to the above. I know of no instances where this has been a problem at any of our Sanctioned Matches and don't foresee one.

Take Care

Bob
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I am with steve on this one, seems kind of a cop out.... the MD of the sanctioned match has the right to allow or disallow the gun on some pretense that the AC will not clarify.... if IDPA is going to allow up to a 6" bbl there has to be a hard ruling on this.

as I said, a 6" 686 is listed at 44 oz ... being a "K" frame it is S&W's medium size and I would hazard a guess one of the more popular models, a ruger GP100 is also listed at 45 oz weight.

so with the barrel exemption is there also a weight exemption ?
 
TIM_COX said:
I am with steve on this one, seems kind of a cop out.... the MD of the sanctioned match has the right to allow or disallow the gun on some pretense that the AC will not clarify.... if IDPA is going to allow up to a 6" bbl there has to be a hard ruling on this.

as I said, a 6" 686 is listed at 44 oz ... being a "K" frame it is S&W's medium size and I would hazard a guess one of the more popular models, a ruger GP100 is also listed at 45 oz weight.

so with the barrel exemption is there also a weight exemption ?
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What part of this did you not understand?

"Any stock 5" or 6" barrelled revolver maybe used in Canada for Sanctioned and Non-Sanctioned Matches. The revolvers weight must be within the manufacturers specifications. "

Provided the gun is within the manufacturers specifications for the gun in question the gun can exceed the ESR/SSR limits.

We were aware that some guns would exceed the SSR/ESR limits and purposely left it to the MD's to apply the rule within the spirit the exemption was given. All the MD's at our Sanctioned Matches understnd this and are fully capable of using common sense when applying the exemption. To date all have and knowing the individuals involved in this years matches I don't expect this to change.

Stevo I trust this answers your question. The only linmitation to exceeding the present ESR/SSR weights is the guns must meet the weight specifications for the pistol. This exemption applies to "Stock" revolvers only.

Take Care

Bob
 
so what your saying is it is up to the match director to make the call to allow your gun to compete in a factory configuration.... as long as it meets the manufacturers spec's.

so a 6" "N" frame model 627/M27 or M28 can be shot in SSR no problem ?
 
TIM_COX said:
so what your saying is it is up to the match director to make the call to allow your gun to compete in a factory configuration.... as long as it meets the manufacturers spec's.
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From the rule book, page 55, "The MD has the final say on ALL match issues and his decision is final. There is no arbitration."

Take Care

Bob
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