ATT's what you need to know

Usually you get the transfer approved faster at a dealer. They will have the white page you get mailed to you before the actual certificate.
This will have the cert.,and reg. numbers you need.

One thing to consider is that with every restricted you sell, you take it to the post office with a STATT to ship, and no valid certificate.
You can't ship until the transfer is complete. Your certificate becomes invalid the instant it is complete.
Catch 22
 
SQUAREHEAD1 said:
Well, when the store calls and says "Come on in to pick your Sig up" - then they give you the sheet of paper which says you can transport the gun from the store to your home address... My latest handgun was the next day after I bought it. Two weeks ago. I picked it up, but I still haven't got my "registration" in the mail. I got thinking yesterday and called the CFO, "if you get caught" with the firearm and no registration with it, HUGE trouble!
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Anyone can hand you a "sheet of paper" with words written on it.. If that is not a proper ATT as issued by a CFO etc then technically it is illegal. No offense but sadly that is true.

As for no registration.. even w/a proper CFO issued ATT it would still be illegal.

Again moronic and stupid and a dozen other words.. but that is part of the sad reality we currently live under with C-68 etc still in force.

But that still apparently is not enough to get the majority of "us" off their asses and fighting back.. :(
 
DOOK said:
Usually you get the transfer approved faster at a dealer. They will have the white page you get mailed to you before the actual certificate.
This will have the cert.,and reg. numbers you need.

One thing to consider is that with every restricted you sell, you take it to the post office with a STATT to ship, and no valid certificate.
You can't ship until the transfer is complete. Your certificate becomes invalid the instant it is complete.
Catch 22
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That is also true.. and again proof of how the law was intentionally written to punish US... :(
 
If you want to go to another club to shoot, we know you need an invitation. I heard something which I do not know if it's true or not.
The letter of invitation can be written by any member of the club, does not need to be from a club representative.

Is this true?
 
tetra said:
If you want to go to another club to shoot, we know you need an invitation. I heard something which I do not know if it's true or not.
The letter of invitation can be written by any member of the club, does not need to be from a club representative.

Is this true?
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Yes and No.. legally you need the invite.. but there is NOTHING in the law to say that it must be in any specific form nor is it legally required for you to provide any proof of such to anyone at any time... contrary to the latest BS trying to be pulled by wyatt (ON CFO and others)...... and his actions are in direct contradiction of the actual law.. hence why one CFO has already capitulated on this issue.. since they have ZERO chance in court and are as usual trying to overstep their authority.

Hence why the reaction from the CSSA etc... and have no doubt that "new" BS is a reaction to the work myself, Cyclone and a few others have done in attacking wyatt's bull####.

Sure hate me blah blah etc and a few others all you want over this.. I can take that as well... "we have made it harder" crap etc etc... but I don't see YOU getting off YOUR ass and helping to fix things properly... so if you want to really blame those responsible for the pathetic state of things NOW for the law abiding firearms owners.. you need not look any further than your nearest mirror.


The fix?

Simple... GET ALL or damn near all of us that are licensed to fight back instead of apathetic #### that is still going on..

The power you think wyatt (and other CFO's) has (whom is an #######.. believe me I've met him in person more than once) has is in YOU sitting on your ass and not fighting back.. the same as joe blow down the street etc..

Simply put... a mass revolt while containing ourselves within our moronic laws wyatt and his BS cronies cannot withstand... and fight to have such stupid laws repealed and install legal protections against such to prevent this from happening again. aka a CDN "2nd" which is quite possible since the US and Canada's (and others) legal system is all based in the Magna Carta.

After 3 yrs+ of my fight with so few actually growing a pair and fighting back... I can honestly say..

99% of you are f'ing cowards with no balls. (including women.. pardon the obvious pun)

No offense but if you don't like the truth.. go back to sticking your head back in the sand or up your ass as you choose.


And sure some mod will probably hate this and have a hissy and infract / ban me again... etc etc... the question is do they honestly think I care about such petty BS?

Seriously.. all that would do is a disservice to all of CGN and Canadians as a whole.. how sad I need to point that fact out..


I sure as hell don't post for mere amusement / trolling / etc.. contrary to what some morons have tried to accuse me of. I picked this fight since it needed to be done and no one else (that I knew of at the time) was doing it. Not just for me.. but for all of us.


CGN could be such a force for "good" but it's not... it's rotten to the core with only a very few exceptions sadly.. But even more sad is the loss we all suffer for that apathy.


So before some mod kills this post.. SCREEN CAP THIS.. and ask yourself... what side are you on... and will you have the courage to stand up and fight back.. or are you a sheeple.


Oh and to whatever mod etc... remember.. I am only speaking the TRUTH,... like it or not.. that is the reality of things... and w/o those few good mods CGN will continue to degrade into effectively a helper of the wyatt etc regime.

Harsh? Yep but very very true and reality is harsh like it or not. No thoughts of puppies and kittens will change reality.. such will only delude you and worse.. others..
 
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I am in Alberta and have a "standard" ATT that allows me to transport my restricted firearm (handgun) from home to the range.

Scenario 1: I put gun in car trunk and transport as per the regulations (unloaded, trigger lock, locked in a container-Pelican hard case, with the ammo locked in a separate case) and don't make it to the range (which is right next to my work - lucky me) until after work, so it sits in the trunk all day, is that okay? Also, say I drive a couple blocks at lunch and then return to work with it still in the trunk, still okay?

Scenario 2: I put gun in car trunk and transport as per the regulations (unloaded, trigger lock, locked in a container, with the ammo locked in a different container) driving to a cottage about 2 hours away from home. The firearm either stays in the trunk or I bring it into the cottage for the night. Storing it all in a larger locked, sturdy container hidden in a closet but likely not a safe. The next day I transport the firearm to a different range about 30 minutes away (as a guest of a friend) still okay?

I asked these questions of the Alberta CFO in an email but never got a response. Hopefully someone on here will have some insight/opinion. I know that if nothing goes wrong, say stolen or car accident, etc. then no harm done but I want to know that I am not breaking the law either way.

Thanks
 
Corlin said:
I am in Alberta and have a "standard" ATT that allows me to transport my restricted firearm (handgun) from home to the range.

Scenario 1: I put gun in car trunk and transport as per the regulations (unloaded, trigger lock, locked in a container-Pelican hard case, with the ammo locked in a separate case) and don't make it to the range (which is right next to my work - lucky me) until after work, so it sits in the trunk all day, is that okay? Also, say I drive a couple blocks at lunch and then return to work with it still in the trunk, still okay?

Scenario 2: I put gun in car trunk and transport as per the regulations (unloaded, trigger lock, locked in a container, with the ammo locked in a different container) driving to a cottage about 2 hours away from home. The firearm either stays in the trunk or I bring it into the cottage for the night. Storing it all in a larger locked, sturdy container hidden in a closet but likely not a safe. The next day I transport the firearm to a different range about 30 minutes away (as a guest of a friend) still okay?

I asked these questions of the Alberta CFO in an email but never got a response. Hopefully someone on here will have some insight/opinion. I know that if nothing goes wrong, say stolen or car accident, etc. then no harm done but I want to know that I am not breaking the law either way.

Thanks
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This is dependant on the CFO etc.. and how far the stick is up his/hers ass.

Scenario 1:

No.. that prople have been charged for since that is not "transport".. it is illegal "storage". Moronic w/o any doubt but it has happened. Better to not leave it in the car and bring it into the domicile at the time since that means it is no longer in "transport". Remember the stupidity of a "reasonably direct route" crap as well as the variance of transport vs storage or use.. :(


Scenario 2:

That is more complex sadly though it should not be. Some will say it is a violation others will not.. However by the letter of the law you are within such technically.. Since that is still a reaosnably direct route and anyone trying to charge you etc would have to say that is against the public safety interest. But thereby be caught within such since the public safety is better served by not having any tireed driver on the road etc..

Not to mention the aspect of if a shooter is out of town and stays at a motel etc... in which case it's legally acceptable.



Welcome to the world of STUPID btw.. with the current moronic laws.


For a more detailed legal answer.. I'd say to ask E. Berlew or Soloman.. both of whom know their ####.





PS: For those in Bantario.. remember.. wyatt is an ####### supreme... and a disgrace to the OPP IMO (and Canadians as a whole).. do not for an instant think he would not be happy to jump all over such things.. since it does not come out of his own pocket :( (yet)
 
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Help me out with my LTATT

Okay a couple questions here.

I just recently purchased a few handguns and am now looking to join a range, they were all shipped to my house so i'm not worried about picking them up from a store or anything. But I have heard that the CFO has changed the rules about ATT's and they will only allow the LTATT to state witch clubs your actually a MEMBER of and not the good ol' "TO ALL APPROVED SHOOTING RANGES" and To posses any firearms I have the license for "ALL FIREARMS FOR WHICH THE AUTHORIZATION HOLDER HAS VALID REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE" (basically what has been referred to as the Non-gimped LTATT)

I'm in Ontario, I will be joining my local pistol club this weekend so im not worried about not getting an LTATT, But I would prefer my LTATT to state "TO ALL APPROVED SHOOTING RANGES" that way if I want to go to Targets Sports Canada for the day I can.

I also want it to state "ALL FIREARMS FOR WHICH THE AUTHORIZATION HOLDER HAS VALID REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE" under the Firearm Information Section. As I do alot of buying and selling I'd rather not have to call them and get a new LTATT issued every time, and I can also borrow a friends firearm.

I have read threw what feels like 30 pages and I'm still confused, I mean its not hard with SO MUCH info to read lol,

Basically I'd just like some advise on weather or not anyone in ONTARIO (or anywhere else, please state) has had any luck RECENTLY with the NON-GIMPED application???

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks
 
jacoblombardo said:
Okay a couple questions here.

I just recently purchased a few handguns and am now looking to join a range, they were all shipped to my house so i'm not worried about picking them up from a store or anything. But I have heard that the CFO has changed the rules about ATT's and they will only allow the LTATT to state witch clubs your actually a MEMBER of and not the good ol' "TO ALL APPROVED SHOOTING RANGES" and To posses any firearms I have the license for "ALL FIREARMS FOR WHICH THE AUTHORIZATION HOLDER HAS VALID REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE" (basically what has been referred to as the Non-gimped LTATT)

I'm in Ontario, I will be joining my local pistol club this weekend so im not worried about not getting an LTATT, But I would prefer my LTATT to state "TO ALL APPROVED SHOOTING RANGES" that way if I want to go to Targets Sports Canada for the day I can.

I also want it to state "ALL FIREARMS FOR WHICH THE AUTHORIZATION HOLDER HAS VALID REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE" under the Firearm Information Section. As I do alot of buying and selling I'd rather not have to call them and get a new LTATT issued every time, and I can also borrow a friends firearm.

I have read threw what feels like 30 pages and I'm still confused, I mean its not hard with SO MUCH info to read lol,

Basically I'd just like some advise on weather or not anyone in ONTARIO (or anywhere else, please state) has had any luck RECENTLY with the NON-GIMPED application???

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks
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See above where it is mentioned that the CFO is overstepping his/her authority (esp the ####### wyatt)... since trying to "change" the rules equates to creating law which he cannot do. Not only that what he has attempted is against the actual law in more than one way... and at least one other CFO has already capitulated on this.

Simply put.. NO that is not "true".. despite wyatt wishing it was. Policy does NOT = LAW... and the CFO must abide by the actual law not his wishes.



As for the un-gimped... LOL.. fill in the blanks as needed from the form I created and fax it in yourself.

Be prepared to join in the fight though.. but the more of us doing so the better. :)

(And in doing so you are not alone.. believe me)
 
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Shalimar said:
See above where it is mentioned that the CFO is overstepping his/her authority (esp the ####### wyatt)... since trying to "change" the rules equates to creating law which he cannot do. Not only that what he has attempted is against the actual law in more than one way... and at least one other CFO has already capitulated on this.

Simply put.. NO that is not "true".. despite wyatt wishing it was. Policy does NOT = LAW... and the CFO must abide by the actual law not his wishes.



As for the un-gimped... LOL.. fill in the blanks as needed from the form I created and fax it in yourself.

Be prepared to join in the fight though.. but the more of us doing so the better. :)

(And in doing so you are not alone.. believe me)
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I figured what the heck, I will give the CFO a call myself

This is what the very nice lady on the phone just told me.

Once I join my club (witch is not a problem as its only 150$ a year and right down the road from me) I can then get my LTATT, Witch on the LTATT will state I can travel to MY CLUB. But if I want to go shooting at another club all I need is an Email from ANY club member inviting me to come for the day. NO NEED FOR CALLING IN OR ANY EXTRA PAPER WORK, just carry the printed off email from my friend with me and my Original LTATT, as For Target Sports Canada, they have an open invitation online that can be printed off. So as for the Transporting it to my destinations its looking like I will have no troubles there.

As for the Section B: The Firearms section. The lady told me to put in the box "All firearms that are registered to the residence" Thats good enough for me, Atleast I dont have to call every time I get a new gun. And really if I want to borrow a friends I'm sure he will be coming with me to blast off some rounds anyways lol


Thanks for your reply! Your info is greatly appreciated. Gook luck on the fight, If things dont work out for me, You bet ill join in! lol
 
That is still in direct conflict with the law itself. There is no need for such an invite, that's the CFO making #### up again
 
jacoblombardo said:
I figured what the heck, I will give the CFO a call myself

This is what the very nice lady on the phone just told me.

Once I join my club (witch is not a problem as its only 150$ a year and right down the road from me) I can then get my LTATT, Witch on the LTATT will state I can travel to MY CLUB. But if I want to go shooting at another club all I need is an Email from ANY club member inviting me to come for the day. NO NEED FOR CALLING IN OR ANY EXTRA PAPER WORK, just carry the printed off email from my friend with me and my Original LTATT, as For Target Sports Canada, they have an open invitation online that can be printed off. So as for the Transporting it to my destinations its looking like I will have no troubles there.

As for the Section B: The Firearms section. The lady told me to put in the box "All firearms that are registered to the residence" Thats good enough for me, Atleast I dont have to call every time I get a new gun. And really if I want to borrow a friends I'm sure he will be coming with me to blast off some rounds anyways lol


Thanks for your reply! Your info is greatly appreciated. Gook luck on the fight, If things dont work out for me, You bet ill join in! lol
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Ahh,.. sadly you don't get it... you do NOT.. I repeat NOT need to be a member at all to get an "ATT" (and legally they are all merely ATT not ST or LT). So you are again swallowing the BS from the CFO...

Sorry but to be blunt.. get in the fight and grow a set.

Otherwise you are only HELPING the #######s like wyatt... ~_~
 
Shalimar said:
Ahh,.. sadly you don't get it... you do NOT.. I repeat NOT need to be a member at all to get an "ATT" (and legally they are all merely ATT not ST or LT). So you are again swallowing the BS from the CFO...

Sorry but to be blunt.. get in the fight and grow a set.

Otherwise you are only HELPING the #######s like wyatt... ~_~
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Okay trust me, im not one of those people that just lie down and take it up the rear. I'll stand up for what I want. Personally I'm just saying im happy enough with the response given.

But from what the lady told me I'm fine with all that. This is my first ATT so I really have no reason to argue, someone like yourself who has obviously spent a long time with your ATT and obviously dont want it to change. I totally understand that. If mine was like that for years I wouldnt want it changed either. Thats just not right.

But may I ask, Why else would I want an ATT aside from traveling to shooting ranges anyways? Like if I wasnt a member of a club why would I need a 5 year ATT?
 
Wouldn't it be great if you didn't need an ATT at all?
Anything more restrictive than that is a burden, and costs money from the enforcement budget for NO BENEFIT TO PUBLIC SAFETY!
It's rediculous.
 
DOOK said:
Wouldn't it be great if you didn't need an ATT at all?
Anything more restrictive than that is a burden, and costs money from the enforcement budget for NO BENEFIT TO PUBLIC SAFETY!
It's rediculous.
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Yes, they could simply give you an ATT that is "attached" to your PAL. [Could be written on the back as a "condition"].

If you have a valid PAL you have a valid ATT for all the short term & long term reasons you need one for.

Simple.

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When I spoke to the BC CFO about five years ago regarding ATC & ATT's, she said she would follow the law if it said shall issue instead of may issue. She claimed to be merely an administrator of the law.
When I asked why we needed ATT, she said if we didn't have that, people would be driving their guns all over town. ( which I talked to see a problem with, we are all law abiding after all )
This was also why it was limited to BC/ Yukon, instead of Canada wide as per the law, which is federal. This means it must be applied the same all over Canada.

Of course it is not. I suppose we should be glad 'policy' isn't.
 
jacoblombardo said:
Okay trust me, im not one of those people that just lie down and take it up the rear. I'll stand up for what I want. Personally I'm just saying im happy enough with the response given.

But from what the lady told me I'm fine with all that. This is my first ATT so I really have no reason to argue, someone like yourself who has obviously spent a long time with your ATT and obviously dont want it to change. I totally understand that. If mine was like that for years I wouldnt want it changed either. Thats just not right.

But may I ask, Why else would I want an ATT aside from traveling to shooting ranges anyways? Like if I wasnt a member of a club why would I need a 5 year ATT?
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Sorry and no offense.. but you have no idea and are making assumptions based on zero facts.

Regardless of my situation or not... you should NOT accept that BS since that again is the CFO trying to make law.. and he has zero authority to do so period!

So to be blunt... get in the ####ing fight.. you already know about the ungimped ATT... there is no "good and sufficient reason" why that should not be the standard for any ATT at all.... so why on earth would you say " I'm fine with all that"? That is in case you did not know it doing exactly what you just said ("Okay trust me, im not one of those people that just lie down and take it up the rear.") you did not do.

Again harsh yes... but that is the flat out reality of the situation.


Not to mention the fact is the LAW does not require membership... nor does any ATT have by law ANYTHING to do with any club... the forms and laws regarding such are designed to be used by the individual RPAL holder... so stop drinking the CFO's cool-aid...


In short.. the ON CFO (and all the others for that matter) are full of ####...... so why in hell would you believe them or be happy with the BS they spew??
 
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Yes, they could simply give you an ATT that is "attached" to your PAL. [Could be written on the back as a "condition"].

If you have a valid PAL you have a valid ATT for all the short term & long term reasons you need one for.

Simple.

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Or more simply put... eliminate all of the "ATT" BS in the first place since if you have a license you obviously are not the "criminal" element etc and if you were you would not worry about a BS permission slip from "MOM"....

Whereas attaching as a "condition" could easily be abused.. as has the entire farce of the FA / C-61 etc etc
 
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