ATV duel

I ride a Kawasaki Prairie (700cc). The only one in our hunting camp. There are some Polaris, Bombardier, Honda, just about everything. My Kawi seems to be less maintenance, well at least it seems to have been in the shop less than the others. How ever, there are some things I don't like about it and that have been a problem.

I don't like the feel of the throttle in comparison to the Grizzly, the Grizzly just seems more responsive at low speed. I guess that's due to all of the automatic everything on the Kawi, smooth yes, but just feels doggy at low speed.

It has gone into "limp" or "service mode" on me way too many times. While it's an easy enough reset that can be done on the side of the road, it throws me into pissy mood when it happens.

The winch mount at the front sucks for access ... there isn't any. You have to power the winch line out because you can't get at the winch to put it in free wheel mode without almost crawling right under it. A real pain.

It appears to be a fuel pig in comparrson to the other quads, mind you it is a 700 cc and theirs are 500 - 550 cc range so not real surprise I go through more fuel. I get about 90km on a tank, that's a mix of slugging in real 4wd conditons and highway driving on logging roads.

The absolute WORSE thing about this quad is the electric fan. A high pitched whine that can be heard for a long long way and there is NO WAY to turn it off. When you stop the quad and it's hot, the fan comes on with or without the key in it, no over ride. Now imagine parking your quad and starting a quite stalk on a Deer or what ever and all of sudden that stinking fan comes on ..... the urge to turn around and shoot that thing is almost over powering.

OK, now what I like about it. It's very powerfull and rides like a Cadillac. When in 4 wheel drive, the rear is posi, the front is limited slip but there is a lever on the left side of the handle bars that you can pull in, as you pull it, the front differential tightens up up to full posi. So it's easyier to steer in 4wd with the torque and traction of full 4x4 posi at the pull of a lever when required. Very nice feature. Also while in 4wd there is an engine brake (similar to the Jake on a diesel). That's nice as well. I like the clearance under the bike, not much there for anything to hang up on.

Mods I have done to make it better. Just got it back from the dealer last night so haven't gone for a boot yet, but I had him replace the factory CDI (what ever that stands for I don't know, but basically it is the controlling computer) with a third party one ($350.00) that doesn't have a "limp" or "service mode" so it will never ever go into that mode again. This new CDI also did away with the reverse overide, no need to hold that button any more, and it is also supposed to "kick it up a notch" as far as performance goes. We'll have to wait and see how that affects fuel consumption, not good I imagine. He also put in a clutch kit (looks like two springs to me) for $65.00 that is supposed to make it a little more positive feeling at low speeds. I also replaced the plastic guards at the front that protect the rubber boots on the front end parts with metal guards. A design flaw with the metal ones, the plastic ones were angled a bit so things would deflect more, the metal ones have 90 degree bends which cause things to jam instead of slide. I aso put in a full plexiglass skid plate (front to back). Sure slides over stumps a lot nicer now. I replaced the 25" factory tires (after I wore them out) with honking 27" mud chuckers. Very dangerous now. Way higher which means easier roll over possibility. As there is NO slip, you can't slide around corners any more, these tires grab, period. I do like the clearance though and have learned how to drive a tad more conservatively in corners and when turning while descending a hill (two slow motion roll overs to date from turning while descending), those tires just grab, they don't slide at all. Handle bar warmers and thumb warmers a must, added when I bought it along with a windshield. I can barely see through the windshield now (beat to death from branches) but I leave it on because of the "shield" part, rain and snow really sting at 60+kmh and the number of sticks and the like that have been deflected that would have poked me in the face make it worth while.

So ther ya go, my experiances, good and bad with the Kawasaki Prairie 700. Would I buy another, probably .. not definitely, we'll see how this new CDI and clutch kit work out and how the next couple of years go as far as service issues.
 
just got an update from the polaris website...yamaha is not willing to put the money where their mouth is...it seems Yamaha wasn't up to the challange

The polaris ceo is challenging other ceos with no replacement riders allowed.Therefore it is not a competition between machines but rather a competition between the ceos.Does anyone here know if all of the ceos even ride atvs?Do we know how old they are?How about their physical condition?I am willing to bet that the Polaris ceo knew the answers to these questions before making such a challenge,and that he feels that he has a distinct advantage.
Now if you want to put the machines head to head,open the competition to professional riders so the machines are the ones being tested.
 
I bought my 2001 Honda Rubicon about 4 years ago. It had about 1500k on it when i got it. I have had to replace the front wheel bearings and the front brakes. Thats the way i bought it. The bearings went from lack of maintenance and subsequently desroyed the shoes. I now have 5000k on it and havent put anything else into it other than regular oil changes. Great quad. The tranny is very smooth. I would definitely recommend this machine.
Just like anything you buy new or used you are excited about your purchase. But a year or so later the excitement wears off and you just want to be able to ride. Thats why i bought Honda.
The brakes are sealed drum front and rear and they work very well.
Just a short note. I did some maintenance on a buddies honda foreman 350. The Original foreman 350 with the gas tank under the seat. He had a friggin million miles on the thing, i really have no idea how many because he smashed the speedo on it when he bought it .
He used to ride every day for 10 years straight, got home from work, grabbed a coffee and jumped on his quad for a good ride while taking his dog for a run.
So anyways. I pull his brakes apart and find they are in great condition. He never serviced his brakes...ever. They were the sealed drum brakes that everyone who doesnt own a honda #####es about. They are a tried and true system not near as powerful as disk but they dont wear out like disk and no replacing rotors.
So that why i buy Honda and will always buy Honda.
 
They were the sealed drum brakes that everyone who doesnt own a honda #####es about. They are a tried and true system not near as powerful as disk but they dont wear out like disk and no replacing rotors.
So that why i buy Honda and will always buy Honda.

Well I own a 2002 rubicon myself and I consider the drum brakes to be inferior to discs.Honda obviously agrees as most of the new machines including the new Rubicon come equipped with front disc brakes.However,I do like everything else about the machine.
 
Disks are exposed to dirt, grime,dust,rocks,water etc. Drums are exposed to nothing but a bit of moisture which will get in eventually if driving in water.
I will bet that i will never replace my drums.


Drums are obviously inferior to disk in terms of power and stopping. Drums on the other hand are cheap to service. Tell me about how much a disk will cost when you smash it on a rock or have to replace it just from riding 2 seasons.

A drum system will work well if you know how to service them. My brakes are lack luster at best but do stop me when i need to stop. You just have to squeeeezzzzz those friggen levers.:)

Going on steep down hill grades you dont need brakes as the rubicon has excellent engine braking. As far as i know nothing will come close to the engine braking on a hydraulic transmission as is the rubicon.
 
I am sure in one case that the seals were shot and they let mud and grime in. The other the seals were good but crud still got in and gouged the drums quite badly.

It can happen, but most of the time wont. I was just stating that it can happen. Mud can work its way in almost anywhere, even past perfectly good seals :(
 
Here is my ATV experience:

After owning a Honda Foreman 400 for six years, I decided it was time to get a new machine. The Honda was good machine but it had a few areas that I felt needed improvement:

1. Drum brakes. Tended to get wet/dirty and squeel. For a machine that lives in mud/dirt/water, I don't believe that drum brakes are idea. They can only be sealed so good...

2. Small cargo capicity and weight rating on the racks. The Honda had a cushy suspension, however its towing and hauling capicity was the price to be paid for this feature.

3. Solid rear axel. This feature was both a plus and a minus. The solid rear axel was good for tuff work and was dead nuts reliable, however it could leave one feeling rather worn out after a day of trail riding.

Please note these are just a few small complaints and overall I would rate may Honda experience as being very good. All the Honda virtues were there: reliability, parts availability, easy to service and work on.

I now have in the back of my truck a 2006 Arctic Cat 650 H1. This is a whole diffrent machine. It is bigger, faster, and stronger. It is great rock and mud machine, but it is nowhere as manuverable on the trails as my "little" Honda was.

I'm a pretty big guy- so I am really loving my big CAT.

10 years ago I think Honda owned the ATV market- features, reliability and dealer network.

Now, after seeing what other guys around here put their various brands through, I think all the Quads from the mainline manufactures are pretty good. Some just excell at diffrent things: mud, trailriding, towing, farm chores, etc.

I think the most important thing about buying an ATV isn't the brand, but rather picking the right machine for the jobs one wants to do. PoPo, Bomb, CAT, Honda, Kawa, etc. They all make good machines.
 
the Honda CEO should challenge the Polaris CEO to produce owner testimonials for quads with over 10,000 km.

That would be even funnier than seeing the Polaris CEO run circles around a bunch of 80 year old japanese guys
 
rgv said:
the Honda CEO should challenge the Polaris CEO to produce owner testimonials for quads with over 10,000 km.

That would be even funnier than seeing the Polaris CEO run circles around a bunch of 80 year old japanese guys

That's quite a joke seeing as Honda only just started putting speedo's on their bike's :rolleyes: :D
 
I often look at all the dealers when I get to the city and I leave wondering why Honda's front and rear racks are so small.

I just looked at a 07 Grizzly and its racks are small too.

I thought maybe that the companies are trying to limit the amount of cargo the big bore machines will carry because they are building them so top heavy, but Honda has the lowest clearance of them all and still has tiny racks.

Years ago quads were considered mostly work machines. Now I guess there are more trail riders who aren't carrying the same amount of gear as we hunters.
 
crazy_davey said:
I would like to see that race, I know where my money would be going on that one ;)

Its quite boring, the 650 keeps winning all the time. I have seen it about... 10 times now?

*edited to add: ATVing is all we do around here. Last honda had 30,000 KMs on it, had a 650 Outlander for about 2 months now and it already has 3000 KM's on it. I know ATVing and I have seen everything there is to see. I put more clicks on in a month than most people do their whole quads life.
 
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