B&C on long-range shooting

Gatehouse said:
Who gives a schit what B&C thinks?

Many of their listings include poached animals or animals killed using questionable (but legal) practices. I'd be more supportive of the B&C club if they didn't list the hunter. Take the ego aspect out of it and focus on the animal, the way it was supposed to be.

So whether they endorse one type of hunting or not really makes no difference to me. :)
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BAM! Exactly
 
.284 said:
The latest and greatest reticle to come out
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Hahaha that's well played. I had thought about "their" reticle when I read their statement.
 
LOL..totally forgot about their reticle...oh the hypocrisy.

Boone & Crockett


Leupold worked closely with the Boone and Crockett Club® to create the first optical product to bear The Club’s name. With practice it will hone your long-range shooting skills, providing precise aiming points for easy-to-remember range increments as well as wind deflection.
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.284 said:
Yep. That reticle will get you out to about 500yards in most rifles that launch a bullet with a B.C. around .45ish at 2950ish fps

They helped me take my sheep at 462 thanks B and C

Hypocrites.
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Ya it is rated out to 600 yards with some cartridges.
 
hoytcanon said:
I want to be fair to track... my recollection was fuzzy... so I went back and checked... the shot in his estimation was 450+ (unless there was a longer one on a pronghorn? track will be along to clarify, I am sure)... here is the thread (Ardent see the Opening Post);

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/990463-BBD-PIC-s
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The antelope was 310 paces, (avatar photo) I harvested 6 antelope bucks and this was my longest shot on one, all other were under 200 yards. All other 165 plus North American big game animals were well under 200 yards, probably 150 yards would be the average. To me a long shot means very little to me, it's the animal, how I hunted it and respect I have for them. As I mentioned in a prior post, B&C wish to discourage individuals such as, Best of the West or others who wish to mimic or make a career of killing at extreme long range.
 
track said:
As I mentioned in a prior post, B&C wish to discourage individuals such as, Best of the West or others who wish to mimic or make a career of killing at extreme long range.
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You figure they could have just said that then...would have saved a lot of irate emails to them and trashing on social media. I'd say they jumped the shark on this one. Hopefully they do something to straighten it out...I'm still a member but not a happy one with the way they handled this. Seems I'm not alone.
 
Parts of the American south (even our own Ontario) have had a long tradition of hounds/houndsmen and I for one will not choose to rag on them. And in western states and provinces cougar attacks have often fallen onto the head and necks of our children so, I could care less about chasing them with packs of dogs and shot out of trees to keep them in fear of man. The ending of the spring season as pursuit only in BC, leaves us with increasing numbers each and every year, as they can only be taken in the fall. Ontario had that exact same problem as well with black bears correct??

Baiting is widespread in much of the USA. There is a whole industry devoted to growing big antlers with cash as it's primary motivation. That gets to me! No-one should be able to submit to B&C any critter shot over a food plot/bait pile.
 
Few big game animals had known I was there. the animal must not have had fair chase?

Or is it only as good as his or her sniffer/sight/hearing ?


Most hunters do not wish the animal to be. Aware of them as it give the chance for spook and poor unethical (gotta through that in) shot . So in fact a longer range kill should indeed be more ethical due to the nature of the cleaness of the kill and the lack of terror the animal must be missing out on... Watcha think ?
 
Isn't there an old saying about when you find yourself in a hole...quit digging?

From B&C on the B&C reticle:

"Leupold Optics has the technology to build hunting scopes that could reach out to 1000 yards plus, but they haven't. The B&C reticle was developed in conjunction with us in 2004 in an attempt to address the inherent problems with long range shooting."

Part of the marketing spin for the B&C reticle

"You’ll consistently make shots you wouldn’t have attempted in the past."

Now they are saying it's unethical to attempt those shots?
 
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sheephunter said:
Isn't there an old saying about when you find yourself in a hole...quit digging?

From B&C on the B&C reticle:

"Leupold Optics has the technology to build hunting scopes that could reach out to 1000 yards plus, but they haven't. The B&C reticle was developed in conjunction with us in 2004 in an attempt to address the inherent problems with long range shooting."
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Batsh!t crazy......

Reticles like the B&C along with the way all of the newfangled technology is advertised is what CREATES the problem with long range shootiong.... As I said earlier, if long range is your cup of tea and you are doing it legally and harvesting ethically and at high percentage then fill your boots... That being said it is the conception that buying this gadgetry will make you a better shooter and / or make it easy peasy to harvest at 600 yards that ticks me off...

The guy that buys this stuff and thinks it makes him a sniper is no better than the guy that pulls his rifle out of the case once a year, shoots a 4" group 4 inches high at 100 and says "good enough" and goes hunting...
 
Superbrad said:
Batsh!t crazy......

Reticles like the B&C along with the way all of the newfangled technology is advertised is what CREATES the problem with long range shootiong.... As I said earlier, if long range is your cup of tea and you are doing it legally and harvesting ethically and at high percentage then fill your boots... That being said it is the conception that buying this gadgetry will make you a better shooter and / or make it easy peasy to harvest at 600 yards that ticks me off...

The guy that buys this stuff and thinks it makes him a sniper is no better than the guy that pulls his rifle out of the case once a year, shoots a 4" group 4 inches high at 100 and says "good enough" and goes hunting...
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Great points but B&C never even touched on the shooter's skill.....much their argument was about the relationship between prey and predator.
 
"Leupold Optics has the technology to build hunting scopes that could reach out to 1000 yards plus, but they haven't. The B&C reticle was developed in conjunction with us in 2004 in an attempt to address the inherent problems with long range shooting."

Part of the marketing spin for the B&C reticle

"You’ll consistently make shots you wouldn’t have attempted in the past."

Now they are saying it's unethical to attempt those shots?
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Maybe I am reading this differently than you are sheephunter, but to me their statement that the reticle is an attempt to "address the problems inherent with long range shooting" and shooters will "consistantly make shots they didn't before" screams that practice, technique and research are not required....

Couple this with your point in regards to now calling these shots unethical and B&C look like double hypocrites....
 
I read most of the thread but skimmed some after it seemed the consensus was the same.
My thoughts: if you are worried about what B&C, SCI or any other org thinks of your hunting and/or the animal you harvest//kill you may be hunting for the wrong reason.
Follow the local laws and enjoy the hunt.
 
Superbrad said:
Maybe I am reading this differently than you are sheephunter, but to me their statement that the reticle is an attempt to "address the problems inherent with long range shooting" and shooters will "consistantly make shots they didn't before" screams that practice, technique and research are not required....

Couple this with your point in regards to now calling these shots unethical and B&C look like double hypocrites....
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I think the real hypocritical statement is that the reticle will allow you to take shots you never attempted before. Isn't the whole crux of their position not to take those shots in the first place regardless of skill or gear as it's unfair to trump the animal's senses with distance. Or perhaps 500 yards falls within that ethical definition....lol Talk about digging deeper.
 
To make matters worse, how do they even know what range an animal is harvested at when it is submitted? Not like the animal is going to tell the strory...

They have no problem pumping up the Hansen buck.... a deer that was shot at no less than 11 times and took 3 bullets to take down... but I suppose that is "ethical".....
 
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