Bad Canadian IPSC Press in Front Sight

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My Jan/Feb issue of Front Sight magazine arrived today. Needless to say I was dismayed at the first thing I read on Page 2 in the Members' Mailbag section. Obviously the following is only one side of the story, but regardless where there is smoke there is fire. What a bad showing for Canada and IPSC in Canada.
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MD, Staff Show Great Restraint at the Area 8

While participating in the Area 8 Championship earlier this year, an incident occurred which I feel our organization should be aware of.

On one stage the start position was with loaded gun with barrel "flat" on table with "no prop". The first shooter was a Super Squad member shooting an Open gun that day who also happened to have his wife shooting in our squad as well. Upon placing the loaded weapon on the table the RO pointed out that the slide racker on the gun was not allowable because it was acting like a prop. The shooter, obviously upset by this decision, began questioning and explaining VERY professionally to the RO that this starting position couldn't possibly be correct. He felt it would be a safety issue to put his gun down on the opposite side with no slide racker and have to roll it over to pick it up. All of a sudden another shooter from our squad who was a guest in our country for this match from our good neighbor to the north, Canada, races forward and begins to verbally assault, scream at, and attack the RO using language that I will omit from this letter. The RO showed true professionalism as well as restraint in this tense situation.

A call was made to the match director, who arrived promptly, only for himself to be attacked verbally by this arrogant individual continuing to show zero respect and creating an unnecessary scene. The match director corrected the official start position and very calmly but firmly "backed down" the over-angered individual causing the problem. And to boot, throughout the entire day this guy constantly used the "F" word very loudly around the only female shooter in our squad. I can only imagine how she felt hearing this all day.

I don't know if this type of behavior is acceptable up north, but I would certainly hope not. Lastly I would like to point out that the entire staff of the East Huntington Practical Shooters deserves a big hand for an excellent match. I drove seven hours from Connecticut to attend and I surely would do the same again next year.

Sincerely,

Lou Nistico, A-44920
 
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Why?

If there was in fact an issue, it should have been dealt with on the spot. The MD obvioulsy felt a match DQ was not in order

Case closed.


could it be because the guy was not the active shooter at the time ??, and frankly this type of thing is not acceptable in any sport.... especially one played with loaded guns.
 
Why?

If there was in fact an issue, it should have been dealt with on the spot. The MD obvioulsy felt a match DQ was not in order

Case closed.

because PR and public impressions go way beyond the match.. if this was not brought up in such a public magazine, then I'd agree, but since it was ,then it should be responded to in an semi official manor.. this was not the MD or anyone organizing the match this was another shooter who brought this issue to light, who makes all of us in Canada look as A$$es.. which we are not..
 
Guilty until proven innocent eh :rolleyes:

well if you have more info then go ahead and post it..... let the sun shine bright on the TRUTH.

I do know that this has been chatted about in more then one of canada's shooting sports and PM's being exchanged by concerned americans to their canadian buddies asking WTF is up with this....
 
That pretty much sums it up Wes,

Any other sport that I've been a part of, to verbally abuse an official (using profanity or not) earns you a quick trip to the dressing room and out of the game with the opportunity for the league to take more and stronger action. I have seen players and coaches receive suspensions up to a year.

The gentleman (and I use the term losely!) in question, whether he was shooting at the time or not, should have been walked away from the match and asked not to return for the day. A meeting with the match organizers and/or IPSC and this individual would clear the air in a less volitile place (no loaded weapons)

If you are going to play, you have to play by the rules of the official, whether you like or agree with them or not.
 
because PR and public impressions go way beyond the match.. if this was not brought up in such a public magazine, then I'd agree, but since it was ,then it should be responded to in an semi official manor.. this was not the MD or anyone organizing the match this was another shooter who brought this issue to light, who makes all of us in Canada look as A$$es.. which we are not..

Maybe Front Site should be more responsible and not print inflamitory articles.

Maybe the guy who wrote it doesn't like the shooter in question...maybe he doesn't like Canadians...

maybe myabe maybe...

...but when we as an organization, start holding members accountable for things we have no first hand knowlege of...we beome our own worst enemies.
 
well then I hope IPSC canada does a full investigation and contacts the match director and gets the story from the horses mouth, that is very easy to do and then IPSC canada and the provincial section responsible for that shooter should pull his membership if the "allegations" are found to be true.

I am the most foul mouthed induhvidual I know but at matches I maintain my tounge and keep the swearing in check and at no time would I assault a match official verbally on behalf of another shooter (or my own shooting)..... that is the whole point, why was this guy butting in on behalf of another shooter.

pay the money and take it to arbitration...
 
...but when we as an organization, start holding members accountable for things we have no first hand knowlege of...we beome our own worst enemies.

so that gives you an excuse to not get involved and not ASK what happened..

No one is saying hang the guy based on the the article.. people are saying.. get involved and find out what happened, and post a response if necessary.. is that too much to expect of a "governing body" for a professional sport??? you may not care, but I bet the majority of members care..


BTW: if you have no first hand knowledge of a safety issue that a member raises (against another member) do you take the same stance.. "I wasn't there, so I can't get involved".. or do you at least ask "who was there that saw this guy who can confirm ..".. doing nothing is not an excuse..
 
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Maybe Front Site should be more responsible and not print inflamitory articles.

it was not an "article", it was letter to the editor...

BUT I tend to agree with you, would this be discussed here if it was an american.... probably not, would the letter have been published if it was an american, probably not.... maybe.

they focused on the "guest of their country", which usually means that you should act as you would expect a guest to act in your house.... but does that mean the associations involved should ignore it now that the cow is out of he barn ?
 
BTW: if you have no first hand knowledge of a safety issue that a member raises (against another member) do you take the same stance.. "I wasn't there, so I can't get involved".. or do you at least ask "who was there that saw this guy who can confirm ..".. doing nothing is not an excuse..

If the safety issue happened at a sanctioned match, I would expect the Range Officials to handle it. If it happened at a club level event or a practice...it's a rumour.

Safety's not something we take lightly...but there is a limit to what we can get involved in.
 
Seriously, this should not be an issue for Sean/IPSC Canada to be dealing with. The fact that the alleged incident involved a Canadian should be completely irrelevant.
 
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