Barrel blockage

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I had a rifle, Win Mod 70, chambered for the 338Win Magnum, brought to me yesterday and the owner, a newbie to the sport, claimed there was something wrong with it because he couldn't close the bolt on a chambered round.

I asked him to leave it with me overnight and I would look at it this afternoon.

I was thinking maybe a bullet jammed into the leade as he was ballsy enough to begin handloading right from the start, using tools and press, left to him by his deceased granfather. I have lots of time for young folks like that.

He was loading very light bullets, because he doesn't like recoil and the 338 Win Mag does have substantial recoil, that gets worse with bullets 225 grain and over. He was loading Barnes 185 grn TTSX at close to maximum velocity.

He's afflicted with ''magnumitis, lazerlike velocities and trajectories" Many of us were at 20.


I was actually surprised that he brought the rifle to me for something so simple as he could have pushed out a jammed bullet with a cleaning rod all by himself.

Still, he's new to the game and this past spring bought his first rifle and fired his first shot. Being a man, he refused to ask for help to learn how to handle such a rifle on the bench and how to use it properly in the field.

But he wasn't completely self confident to the point he wanted to attempt hand loading by reading instructions out of books or online and we all know what happens when we don't know the meaning of nomenclature.

He came to me for handloading instructions during the early spring, about two weeks before Bear season opened and brought the dies his grandfather had used. His grandmother sold off the rifle as she needed the cash, before finding out her grandson was interested.

That's the reason he ended up buying the 338 Win Mag. He wanted to do it all and because he had the 338 Win Mag tooling and a couple of hundred new brass, along with several hundred bullets of varying weights/designs, felt it would be his cheapest option.

Now to the topic of the thread.

I have dipped rubber coated brass rods of different diameters, so the 1/4 in rod would be used to push from the muzzle end to the obsruction at the leade.

It didn't feel solid when I tapped it but it wasn't soft either and it came out alright but required a harder tap with a rubber mallet, which usually isn't necessary when a bullet is seated to long and jammed hard into the leade as the weight of the rod will almost always free it up.

Well, it wasn't a jammed bullet.

It was a piece of dry tree branch appx 3 inches (6cm) long.

He had been out on his Quad Saturday and had the rifle in a side scabbard, with the bolt open. Somehow, a bit of dead Pine branch had found its way into the breech and down into the chamber and he hadn't seen it happen. When he went to the range on Sunday morning, was when he was surprised that he couldn't chamber a cartridge.

I've seen all sorts of things jammed into chambers and down barrels but I've never seen something as unlikely as this.

Of course there wasn't any damage done. Just a very unusual coincidence.

I suggested to him to remember his CORE training and PAL training to check the bore before putting the rifle in the safe or upon taking it out of the safe. Then again at the range before chambering or when taking the rifle out of the case on a hunt, etc.

He was as surprised as I was and decided that he would no longer ride with the bolt open. Not sure why he did that, but ?????

I just thought this was interesting and unusual.

You just never know what's going to happen when you least need it to.
 
Teaching a group of young girls hunter's safety right now. I got asked if it was really that important to check the bore. I think they wished they hadn't asked by the time I was done. Now here's another possible scenario I had never even thought of.
 
As an aside, point out to him, that aside from the issue of crap getting to where crap ought not, rattling down the trail with the action open, is almost a recipe for losing the bolt from his rifle.

Might do it thousands of times without it being an issue, but the once when you go to chamber a round and there is no bolt, is all it's gonna take!
 
As an aside, point out to him, that aside from the issue of crap getting to where crap ought not, rattling down the trail with the action open, is almost a recipe for losing the bolt from his rifle.

Might do it thousands of times without it being an issue, but the once when you go to chamber a round and there is no bolt, is all it's gonna take!

I mentioned that to him very sternly but didn't think it needed to be mentioned as it's so obvious.

You're absolutely right though, but if anything can go wrong when it comes to interpretation of rules or operation, when people aren't properly educated anything can and will happen.

He felt it would be safer in this mode and if he was stopped by a Conservation Officer it would be easy to see the rifle was clear and had no cartridges in the chamber. Just an example of being overcautious.

When I'm in my pick up and heading out, or returning home, I have my rifle in plain view with the bolt open just as a precaution. I've had COs get very persnickety over no trigger locks and a closed bolt.

I know that as long as I'm present with the rifle I don't need a trigger lock. Some COs know it but don't like it.

I can see where his thought process came from but it's not a good option when riding a Quad.
 
As an aside, point out to him, that aside from the issue of crap getting to where crap ought not, rattling down the trail with the action open, is almost a recipe for losing the bolt from his rifle.

Might do it thousands of times without it being an issue, but the once when you go to chamber a round and there is no bolt, is all it's gonna take!

Not to mention beating the sh!t out of the bolt and the action. Most bolts are pretty loose in the action when fully open. An open bolt is also asking to admit sand and dust and dirt and all kinds of other crap into a tightly machined action. Why do people do dumb stuff like this?
 
Teaching a group of young girls hunter's safety right now. I got asked if it was really that important to check the bore. I think they wished they hadn't asked by the time I was done. Now here's another possible scenario I had never even thought of.

Well ...... when one considers that one is about to light off an "explosion" that creates 65,000 psi, one might want to consider the extremely bad results from improperly containing that pressure inside of a steel tube. The pressure is gonna get out somehow and it will bring all kinds of extremely high velocity shards of metal along with it. Keeping in mind that one will be holding this wayward explosion within inches of one's face .... it's a pretty good idea to know that the bore is in fact, not blocked.
 
A few years back met up with another group of hunters on a trail walking out of a deer hunting area. One guy ask us to keep an eye out for a Remington bolt. He had lost it while walking out on the trail. He thought it would show safety conscious on his part by keeping the bolt open while walking with the group, bad decision, the other guys kept their bolt closed.
 
I mentioned that to him very sternly but didn't think it needed to be mentioned as it's so obvious.

You're absolutely right though, but if anything can go wrong when it comes to interpretation of rules or operation, when people aren't properly educated anything can and will happen.

He felt it would be safer in this mode and if he was stopped by a Conservation Officer it would be easy to see the rifle was clear and had no cartridges in the chamber. Just an example of being overcautious.

When I'm in my pick up and heading out, or returning home, I have my rifle in plain view with the bolt open just as a precaution. I've had COs get very persnickety over no trigger locks and a closed bolt.

I know that as long as I'm present with the rifle I don't need a trigger lock. Some COs know it but don't like it.

I can see where his thought process came from but it's not a good option when riding a Quad.



I keep a copy of the transportation regulations off of the RCMP website with my insurance and registration in my pickup for this exact reason. I'm not getting into a peeing competition over the regs but I will show the officer what the legal requirement is.

I hope your young customer will continue to use you for a mentor Bearhunter.
 
A few years back met up with another group of hunters on a trail walking out of a deer hunting area. One guy ask us to keep an eye out for a Remington bolt. He had lost it while walking out on the trail. He thought it would show safety conscious on his part by keeping the bolt open while walking with the group, bad decision, the other guys kept their bolt closed.

Yup, I know a fellow that keeps his bolt in his coat pocket until he gets to where he will be hunting, trigger locked as well.
 
I keep a copy of the transportation regulations off of the RCMP website with my insurance and registration in my pickup for this exact reason. I'm not getting into a peeing competition over the regs but I will show the officer what the legal requirement is.

I hope your young customer will continue to use you for a mentor Bearhunter.

I've known this young man from the time he was two weeks old. He's the grandson of a now deceased close friend, who asked me to keep an eye on him when possible. We've always gotten along well, so it should work out.

Like his grandfather and mother, he's a bit hard headed but weren't we all at 20????
 
A few years back met up with another group of hunters on a trail walking out of a deer hunting area. One guy ask us to keep an eye out for a Remington bolt. He had lost it while walking out on the trail. He thought it would show safety conscious on his part by keeping the bolt open while walking with the group, bad decision, the other guys kept their bolt closed.

Yup, I know a fellow that keeps his bolt in his coat pocket until he gets to where he will be hunting, trigger locked as well.

Some people are just dumb. Some of those dumb people are also gun owners.



I keep a copy of the transportation regulations off of the RCMP website with my insurance and registration in my pickup for this exact reason. I'm not getting into a peeing competition over the regs but I will show the officer what the legal requirement is.

Keep in mind that what is posted on RCMP website is not the actual act or regulations. It is an RCMP precis / interpretation of what the act and regulations says. I have a copy of both the act and the regulations in the pocket on the back of my driver's seat. Any LE or CO wants to start making stuff up, I can hand them the actual act and regulations so they can show me where it says what they are claiming. I also have a copy of the CDN Charter of Rights and Freedoms there as well .... just in case.
 
Yup, I know a fellow that keeps his bolt in his coat pocket until he gets to where he will be hunting, trigger locked as well.

My friend's brother-in-law always take the bolt out when he put his gun in the hard gun case (don't know why). On one hunting trip after a 1/2 hour ride on an ATV, he got drop off at his deer stand. When he got comfy in the stand and ready to load his rifle he realize he forgot to put the bolt in the rifle.
 
My friend's brother-in-law always take the bolt out when he put his gun in the hard gun case (don't know why). On one hunting trip after a 1/2 hour ride on an ATV, he got drop off at his deer stand. When he got comfy in the stand and ready to load his rifle he realize he forgot to put the bolt in the rifle.

He wouldn't be the first.
 
And he wasn’t SMART ENOUGH to look into the barrel ? WTH f:P: Good thing he’s Got you Bearhunter ! RJ

Considering that he's an office drone by proffession, I'm impressed that he was on the ball enough not to try and force things to the point of going awry.

He's very good at his job but when it comes to anything mechanical, he definitely knows his limits.

This is his first personal firearm. Gramps always just handed him one that was ready to go, without fear of any issues.
 
A few years back met up with another group of hunters on a trail walking out of a deer hunting area. One guy ask us to keep an eye out for a Remington bolt. He had lost it while walking out on the trail. He thought it would show safety conscious on his part by keeping the bolt open while walking with the group, bad decision, the other guys kept their bolt closed.

The one thing I really dislike about the newer 700 Remington rifles is that the bolt will open when safety is on. If you have it slung on your shoulder and the bolt catches on a twig the bolt can pop open. At best you loose a round but you can be in for a surprise and a couple of headshakes if you unsling it and go to shoulder it and see this long thing in your face. I suppose if another twig hit the bolt latch then it could be a real bad day.

Bill
 
The one thing I really dislike about the newer 700 Remington rifles is that the bolt will open when safety is on.

Bill

Thank the lawyers in the US with the all the lawsuits for that ... it was argued in court that the old style trigger with the bolt locking safety was unsafe because you had to disengage the safety in order to remove a loaded round ... so Remington lost over a million dollars and as part of the settlement recalled all the triggers with a bolt locking ability.
 
The one thing I really dislike about the newer 700 Remington rifles is that the bolt will open when safety is on. If you have it slung on your shoulder and the bolt catches on a twig the bolt can pop open. At best you loose a round but you can be in for a surprise and a couple of headshakes if you unsling it and go to shoulder it and see this long thing in your face. I suppose if another twig hit the bolt latch then it could be a real bad day.

Bill

Yup Me too ! But all my tikkas lock the bolt down on safety! :d RJ
 
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