Barrel Torque

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Regarding torque on truck nuts, I was changing the rear duals on my old dump truck (91 Ford F800). I imagine those tires had been put an sometime in the mid nineties. I used a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 6ft pipe to break them loose. I started by setting it up and bouncing on the end of the bar (I weigh about 185). There were a couple that didn't work on so I padded my shoulder and got under the bar and lifted up. On one, a young guy helped me lift on the bar and I really though the handle was going to break. Pretty damn tight. We torqued bridge bolts to about 700 pounds, as I recall, we would trade off after a dozen or so.
 
I've read it was to improve cold bore accuracy.
I wonder how extreme barrel mounting torque is suppose to achieve that? Some rifles have more, and some have less shift between cold bore and subsequant shots. Is it barrel torque that does it? I'm surprised no one else discovered that in 100 plus years of barrel fitting.
 
The Tac Ops are accurate rifles fir sure. But I have shot some Canadian made rifles just as accurate .
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Duty built ones? 1/4moa or less with factory Federal Gold Medal Match?
Yes, but the issue with a 1/4 minute rifle is one rarely runs into conditions that will ensure a particular shooter can do that repeatably .
Even the owner of this Tac Ops pictured has done it, but not repeatablly .
Also, a 1/4 minute rifle is not needed to hit a 1MOA target even at 1,000 meters.
A good wind call is, however !
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No LE marksman are Tier 1 and yes we deal with both. We should point out that Tier 2 and other sniper units are quite capable, such as 3 Battalion 75th Rangers, who won the Canadian International Sniper Competition 3 times and the only other unit to do so is JTF2, who are Tier1.

No police snipers have won this in the 20 years of its
running(been to all) and none of the units from many countries that have competed use Tac Ops. Doesn't mean that they are not fine, but not chosen by the best.

Regarding special operations, Tier 1 units are the elite, tasked with the most difficult missions and are drawn from the best operators within the special operations community. Tier 1 units receive the highest training and are the most capable. They are selected from the top snipers from other special operations units (Tier 2) and require rigorous selection processes. Tier 1 units are tasked with difficult missions, including counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, and special operations. Some examples of Tier 1 units include Delta Force (United States), DEVGRU (United States), SAS (United Kingdom). JTF2( Canada).
 
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Duty built ones? 1/4moa or less with factory Federal Gold Medal Match?
I have seen more than one factory 700 BDL heavy barrel shoot cheap ass Federal ammo in the mid to high .300's...

and there are lots of 'smiths' who have built 1/4 inch rifles.

And between conditions and shooter skill many shooters can not shoot 1/4 moa.
 
I have seen more than one factory 700 BDL heavy barrel shoot cheap ass Federal ammo in the mid to high .300's...

and there are lots of 'smiths' who have built 1/4 inch rifles.

And between conditions and shooter skill many shooters can not shoot 1/4 moa.
Oh yeah?
1/4 is the guarantee. Most shoot in the 1s and 0s and quite a few in the 00s.
 
Oh yeah?
1/4 is the guarantee. Most shoot in the 1s and 0s and quite a few in the 00s.
There are some differences of course. The Tac Ops not being a mass produced rifle, and a three shot , 1/4 MOA group when ready to ship does not automatically turn the buyer into a 1/4 MOA shooter .
Other than that, I'm not sure how this translates to barrel torque, we kinda drifted off that! LOL
Cat
 
Just to settle my curiosity, I have an Enfield action ring which I thought would be acceptable. It's all that was left from an action which was destroyed by court decree almost thirty years ago. I saved it for checking threads on tenons I was cutting. Won't be doing more so it became a donor.

I used a take off stub barrel which I had on hand for similar purposes to screw into the receiver.

The first issue I had with it was clamping the barrel tight enough to hold the barrel after appx 200 ft lbs. Then, before I reached 300, the barrel itself started twisting. I don't mean slipping in the clamps, it actually twisted. Not only that, the receiver face started deforming/bulging.

Not only that, my action wrench, which uses the internal lug faces started twisting.

The torque wrench I used has a 48 inch handle and I used to use it for torquing the nuts on high pressure/high volume air compressors. It maxes out at 500 ft lbs but I've never needed to torque that high.

I wonder what else is "different" about the Tac-Ord receivers. Likely metal type as well as very specialized tooling?
They use "marketing"...only difference lol.
They would be the only ones that you could get it rebarreled at, maybe they throw in a new action too at the same time...I dunno, seems like unrealistic torque.
Although...if someone made a barreled action out of AR500 steel, they really could call it a bullet proof rifle lol.
 
Yes , but as Tok has mentioned previously, Tac-Ord has some "secret sauce" going for them. And if you dont understand the technical merits of secret sauce, there is no hope for you. :rolleyes:
 
Yes , but as Tok has mentioned previously, Tac-Ord has some "secret sauce" going for them. And if you dont understand the technical merits of secret sauce, there is no hope for you. :rolleyes:
Just for clarity
Tac Ord and Tac Ops are two different outfits .
The one we were discussng is Mike Resigno's outfit, Tactical Operations ( Tac Ops)
Cat
 
Done quite a few truck and trailer tires at 500ft/lbs. It's only hard if you weight 150lbs. Or trying to use a small torque wrench.

Piles of implements require alot more torque than that.

It's all based on fastener size and grade. Although most fasteners don't have a hole going through the middle of them...but a 1" fine thread grade 8 bolt torque spec is 764ft/lbs. So that's what is is supposed to be torqued to.
 
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