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Guys. Give me the low down! I want a long range rifle/sniper rifle/precision rifle call it what you want. I bought a remington model 700 vsf 308 LEFT HANDED ACTION. Its at the gun smiths getting a few things customised to my liking. I also picked up an elite 4200 6-24x40 mil dot for my babby. Now I have used and with great results standard leupold 2 piece base's and medium rings on my hunting rifle. I noticed on pictures of other fellows long range rigs they are using two piece base and rings, and others are using Mark 4 Tactical Mounts from leupold with the one piece base. What is the take on 2 piece base's. I realize there is no real comparison. For example the 1/4 degree slope for ofsetting bullet drop off and that it will sit the rings perfectly uniform, but is it a HUGE deal. I intend on shooting for sheer fun out to 1000 yards, but I do things right from the get go to an extent. In the ideal world I would be shooting a Mcmillan brothers with infinite ammo but I am not made of money. Does leupold make the one piece base relieved for a left handed bolt? (i am a lefty i confess).

Thanks
 
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That scope was not made for 1000 yards, it doesn't have near enough travel. I happen to have that same 4200 mounted on a 300wsm and it needed a sloped base to reach 1000. Its a nice scope for the money if you go in knowing that it needs a custom base to work. You most likely will need to get a good 25MOA base to use that scope out past 700 yards.

I set mine up, sighted it in at 100 and 300, figured out how much I needed for MOA and what I had for down to still allow for a 100 zero. I feel lucky it worked out the first time. It has 11.75 moa right travel and 18.75moa left for windage, so as long as the wind is 15 mph or less at 1000 I'm good to go without holding off all day.

Have fun whatever you do,
Cheers.
 
Rob I have to disagree with you on the 4200 only because I have had mine out to 1000 with no problems what so ever, but It may have something to do with the rifle you mount it on, caliber, and mounts. Mine was set up on a Savage model 12 BVSS in .223 with a 100yrd zero, Leupold med hight rings and Leupold full length base. I didnt bottom out on my come-ups dialing in. I have another rifle I use for those ranges and further. The 4200 will get you out there but as Rob pointed out a 20-25 MOA rail is going to make it much easier. The 4200 elite is a great scope for the money without getting into the Mark 4's for the power band of up to 24X it has alot of versatility, is clear comes with a scope shade and works increadably well for the money. The only downfall I realy dont like is a front bezel paralax adjustment, which can be a pain,but still effective. I have used this scope on the range and in the field smoking gophers and think it is a great scope for a budget minded individual and a good way to get a start. The .308 is balisticaly simular to a .223, but better in the wind....I think you will be fine with your 4200.

Just an opinion.

Here's a pic of my setup.

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The wife shooting it at our favorite outa the way shooting spot.
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tapered base

Mouse. Be careful with the amount of taper on the base. I bought a Near 25 moa tapered base and using my 6 x 24 I can't sightin at 300 yards because the scope adjustment will not go down far enough. In my case, probably a 15 moa tapered base would be perfect. Try a Farrell tapered base. They are higher than the Near or Leupold but the pricing is a lot better. Quality seems to be good also. Since the Farrell base is higher you could use low rings without requiring an adjustable comb. Steve
 
I only found one so far on my quest available to me. http://www.millettsights.com/online/pages/p7.php
They are the only ones who make one piece base's for left handed actionas from what I can find!!! Of course I want someone to prove me wrong so I can get a base that is tapered and i can use my leupold turn in rings, but at the very least something with taper in left hand action! I am going to phone leupold since I see no listing and find out if they make a full length base in left hand for model 700.

Thanks for the insight before I open the package:)
 
My 4200 required the Near Mfg. 25moa base to get my 175SMK's past 600 yds. LongRangeCanuck, is your 4200 1/4 or 1/8 clicks? With 1/8, you only have about 26moa total adjustment at 100yds. I don't think that's enought to get you out to 1000yds. With the base, I now zero at 200yds, but have no problem shooting out to 800yds. Sounds like my data is very similar to that of PEI ROB.
 
Yeah good point. I gotta find someone with a remington 700 in 308 with the same scope combo and see what worked for them to get a balpark of the taper I need. My 4200 is 1/8 moa increments.
 
LRC, I would say you got lucky. The scope has only 26 moa adjustment total by specs, mine has 240 ish clicks total from the bottom stop to the top stop and its at exactly 20 up from the bottom stop to zero at 100.

A 80 grain MK at 2900 with a bc of .420 drops 350" @ 1000 yards, or near 35 moa. Since there is 8 clicks per inch per 100 thats 280 clicks. However, it is in moa which is 1.04" per hundred so around 267 clicks. Depending on the program of course and my real world data suggests my program runs on the optomistic side but you get my concern as to wether the scope was made for 1000 yard shooting.
 
My 4200 is in 1/8" MOA, Maybe I did get lucky, I guess I have a reason to head out to the spot and try it again as soon as I can get a good day off with good weather, I was down there with a buddy who was setting up his new Rem Police and just tried it for s**ts and giggles, and was supprised myself that I made it and had a decent 3 shot goup.I haven't done it in over a year with the .223 since I got my custom built. I will keep track of all the data and repost my results, Until then disregaurd my recomendation on the 4200 until I have all the data to back it up.
 
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I just pulled out my .223 to run the comeups since I havent used it in quite a while but found my scope has 31MOA of vertical adjustment from top to bottom???? Is there a difference in the scopes from manufacture year or one run to another? anyone else notice any differences with thiers?
 
I look forward to your findings! Thanks for the help guys. LRC I demand groups:) or more wife pictures..... I just dont know what in the hell to do. I tracked down the last vsf in canada as they are not going to be brought in anymore and to boot left handed:) Now its another battle to find a 1 piece base with taper for short action left handed. If I knew real world a good average moa taper for my combination of rifle and scope from someone who shoots 168 grain mk or something I could mill one time permitting which is few and far between if need be, but its way easier forking out a few bucks and buying one pre made. I could get burris zee rings, but I dont like dicking around with shims.
 
For the left hand rifle, Near MFG is probably your best bet. He makes his own mounts anyway so he should be easily able to modify one for the left hand Remington. Just google the name above to find his website and send him an email.

Pat
 
I think the OP was looking for a one piece mount that he couls use his -turn-in- rings with. I thought Mr. Near only did the Picatinney thing.
 
Yeah it would be nice to be able to use my turn in rings and get a one piece base. Leupold makes them but not tapered and from what i see on there site not relieve for left handed actions at all. So i guess custom is the only option i have.....

edit: Unless these guys will work http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/product.asp?prod=293081
I am guessing RH-SA is for right handed short actions? but it seems like the base is symetrical? it has 1/4 degree taper which i take it is 25moa? I guess its trial by error to see what works but my elite has 30.875 moa adjustment max and i wana shoot down to 100 yards to do load testing and the range's localy are 300 yards. So something i can use all around which is why i gotta get it right.
 
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60 minutes in a degree, therefore 1/4 degree=15MOA, and just for reference there are 60 seconds of angle in a minute.

Secondly, even if you can't raise your POI enough to meet your POA at 100, who cares? You can still do load development. Staple up one target to aim at and another to hit. You're shooting groups, not for score.
 
Damn, can't recall exactly but I thought Farrell or Warne made a universal - either right or left......I'll have to check.

Maybe to the Savage barrel has a slight bend in it ..... helping it get to 1000 with the B&L/Bushnell 6-24x:D :D
 
Yeah it looks like warne base's are for left or right hand, and so does Near MFG. I am split between them. What are the pro's and cons of either of them? I want a nice low mount that I can get at my brass from, and obviously something rigid. Does anyone have a review for me:)? They are both so nice and clean cut making it oh so much harder.

Thanks
 
Thanks! Because I was looking at the two side by side, and man one is more than twice the price (not saying who) Warne doesnt list what grade of steel, but I doubts is mild steel or something wussy, and they are both sold in american dollars which chaps my ass....
 
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