I absolutely knew that Question would be asked ....NO.. They can not ...BUT WHY NOT ?.... Where does it stop !!! It then opens the door for Every custom maker that can install a break,to then swamp us with breaks, and everybody, will feel that if they do not have a break that then they are at a disadvantaged start an equipment race !!! which then increases liability issues with CF range And might force BCRA to ban all breaks on range period which then puts our match at risk of loosing new shooters because they may feel they cant afford to compete because their equipment is inferior or loose credibility with LE or military .
... Just because a person has a manufacturing license it does not mean that person supplies firearms to police or qualifies as a" factory "I have on several occasions been told that " we build precision rifles for law enforcement " only to research that claim and find out it was total fiction .. I have had people tell me that just recently , and I know full well they have not , but I will let them carry on with that fantasy untill the match then bring both parties together and ask a pointed question "did so and so build your dept some rifles ? " and when the answer is no then I will honor violate(seeking an unfair advantage -cheating) the person that made the claim , refund his entry and tell them to have a good day mowing their lawn because they will not be shooting our match.
I am sick to death of people looking for an unfair advantage or outright cheating I had one competitor actually bring a black and decker drill and foot pegs to secure a solid firing point on a roof top stage , when told he could not employ that apparatus, he felt compelled to argue that the "public works dept" would be called in in the real world for LE , the LE that overheard the exchange walked away shaking their heads . in fact the most common Complaint I have received from LE when I ask them to critique the match so that I can look to improve the match.." constant civilian complaint or whining " where as LE or military just reads the course of fire and Gets to work without gaming the course of fire/ stage ,I have been informed of dishonorable behavior on several instances after Match's have ended ..people not bringing it to RSO or my attention at the time because they didnt want to be labeled as "rats" or so they don't create a scene or issue ) .and I will have a few words about this phenomenon at the pre-shoot brief .
The BCRA and I have made ( my lobying of breaks on current SWS is the only reason breaks are seen at a BCRA event )enough consesion on the break issue by only allowing "factory rifles" with breaks to be employed Simply to accomidate real world employed SWS, Over the years I have seen all sorts of rifles all sorts of ideas tried and rejected by those looking to either buy a score or look for an equipment crutch that then gives them some sort of perceived advantage over the other competitors ,as the director and the BCRA representive I am tasked with maintaing the quality , the integrity ,safety ,and credibility of this provincial match, new rules get added regularly to help curb the GAMEING , those shooters that don't agree with the way the match is conducted or overseen ( always seems to be those that won't help or contribute feel compelled to run their mouths ) can voice their concerns at the BCRA AGM in November , i will be there !,I myself have a manufacturing license and I do not run a break , I don't think it is needed/ required to shoot this event and I leed by example (not encouraging equipment/arms race ) If there is a manufacturer that regularly supplies precision rifles to LE or military with a break and someone wants to use their rifle , have them contact me , I will be able to verify their claims quickly, and will address an issue on an individual basses , but I will not pander to someones ego or allow lies to diminish this event ,in terms of safety or credibility .
Regards
Ed
THIS is exactly why ATRS does NO LONGER supports this shoot.
Ed with your comments and ruling you AND the BCRA are dangerously close to legal action seeing as you are their representative.
"Just because a person has a manufacturing license it does not mean that person supplies firearms to police or qualifies as a" factory "I have on several occasions been told that " we build precision rifles for law enforcement " only to research that claim and find out it was total fiction ."
Ed YOU are calling me a liar on an open forum. YOU are slandering the ATRS name with your posting of untruthful information. YOU are creating an untenable situation here that WILL have consequences if YOU do not retract this BULL####.
Your research is WRONG Unless of course the Edmonton, Calgary, Cayman Islands and the several other police agencies that we deal with, are not considered as legitimate law enforcement agencies. EVERY sniper rifle owned by EPS is 1 we built! We can document this and will in court if this goes further.
"I will be able to verify their claims quickly, and will address an issue on an individual basses , but I will not pander to someones ego or allow lies to diminish this event ,in terms of safety or credibility . " Which actually means anyone showing up with our brand of rifle will be not allowed to shoot, but you will do it at the shoot and not in public view.
Nice play!!
Your telling ATRS customers that our brakes pose a significant risk to shooter safety being a large part of the reason you will not allow competitors to shoot our FACTORY rifles is based on exactly what??????????????????
Until today I have ignored this thread, but with information brought to my attention from a client telling me of the slander and defamation you posted in this thread.
The FACT is just like PGW, Savage and Remington, all who manufacture rifles with factory installed brakes (you probably forgot about the VTR and the 338s that Remington makes) is EXACTLY the same as what Alberta Tactical Rifle does being as ATRS IS also licensed firearms manufacturer. So by your rules YOU are gaming by giving an advantage to some favored manufacturers.
OUR rifles just like those made by PGW, Savage and Remington ALL have their own FRT numbers, this is pretty easy to document.
"and everybody, will feel that if they do not have a break that then they are at a disadvantaged start an equipment race !!! which then increases liability issues with CF range And might force BCRA to ban all breaks on range period which then puts our match at risk of loosing new shooters because they may feel they cant afford to compete because their equipment is inferior or loose credibility with LE or military. "
YOU have just created this very scenario by stating that only the manufacturers rifle YOU and by extension the BCRA approve of may compete as they are offered.
What about NEA then? If I wanted to come and shoot 1 of their AR15s which has a muzzle device attached from factory. Can I shoot that? Is NEA 1 of your favored manufacturers?
Ed you and I have knocked heads in the past, and on a couple of your points I agree. Those being.
Brakes should NOT be allowed in a competition, BUT REGARDLESS of manufacturer plain and simple.
There IS a difference between a modified firearm and 1 manufactured by a licensed manufacturer such as ATRS, NEA, PGW, Savage, Remington etc.
Putting on a shoot takes a tremendous amount of time and commitment and for that I applaud you.
You have created a nasty situation here that does nothing but a major disservice to the shoot , the BCRA and yourself.
Your blind hatred of my company however is unwarranted, and I will no longer condone your open slander.
Govern yourself accordingly
build a match based on what he likes, look around, they exist and sometimes just need a bit more work to become great. Get involved with stage design and setup. It takes work, but in the end, more matches, more shooting, more fun.
