BC LEH 2015 draw results availlable online NOW *pg7

I can't get over just how absolutely offensive the idea of making more draws available to only locals is. This is selfish, anti hunting and greedy.

A huge percentage of BC hunters reside in the LML and there are few LML LEH opportunities. This would be hugely divisive to BC hunters and the only winners would be those that wish to see residents fight each other over an unfair LEH distribution.

Thankfully, this ridiculous idea isn't on the radar of the BCWF or government.
 
Gatehouse said:
I think he was talking about our Permit to Accompany permits, ...
I don't think he was suggesting that someone out of province should just come and buy a HL and go hunting here. I know for a fact that the BCWF is not endorsing anything other than the existing PTA. And I'm just a BCWF member, not a spokesman.
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Yes, you have it correct... and for those that were aware of my previous position in the BCWF, while I considered it a great honour, I was unable to give the position the time and attention it deserved and stepped down. I am simply a BCWF member and am no longer on the BOD, so no, I am not speaking as the BCWF.
 
Respect your opinion Gate but don't think so though it's an easy out for TPK. I respect his opinion too but we are purpose discussing LEH's here not general hunting and he quite unambiguously suggests all citizens Canada wide should have the same right to the BC LEH draws. I double checked his reply and it only reads one way with no stretching required. :)

We all have opinions, and glad we're voicing them civily.
 
I get what your saying Gate, but some of us have moved around the province both for the work that was available and the outdoor activities that were present, both in the way of game and fish, so to the people that moved into prime moose country only to see outsiders coming in being able to hunt them is kind of a sad state, but yes I agree the lottery makes it fair across the board.
Where herds have been relocated to other areas of the province where they either were not before, or driven out of over time should really be given preferential first choice to those residents, then to others, which if I am not mistaken is how they started the LEH draw for elk in Powell River, and as far as the GOABC group well they can f&*K right off, they want the government to guarantee their incomes by guaranteeing then game animals to harvest, how many commercial fishermen have been promised a quota from year to year?? oh that right none of them, they don't know if they will be able to pay the bills from year to year or even be able to stay in the industry and make a living, some even get a real job outside of the industry. We all have to work to make a living, none of us get a guaranteed income supplement so it's time to take theirs away and give it back to the people
 
Ardent said:
.... he quite unambiguously suggests all citizens Canada wide should have the same right to the BC LEH draws. I double checked his reply and it only reads one way with no stretching required. :)

We all have opinions, and glad we're voicing them civily.
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I agree that differences can be discussed without fighting, just wish it was the norm instead of exception ! lol

Any way, yes, no waffling or looking for an easy out, I stand 100% firm on my comments as you see them, " ...he quite unambiguously suggests all citizens Canada wide should have the same right to the BC LEH draws" ... yes I do.

Now it's Monday and I'm drawing a blank about why I was talking about the PTA hunts ...? other than I wouldn't want them to go away or be changed... there was something I was trying to tie into this discussion but I can't recall now where I was going with it ..... and once more for the record, these are my personal views and beliefs, I am NOT speaking on behalf of the BCWF.

If we focused on holding our Gov't feet to the fire with regards to properly funded Game Management, and not Hunter Management, we would be growing our game animal numbers and LEH's should be on the decline. It's my belief that all hunts (LEH or GOS) should be available for all Canadians, no enhanced or reduced odds for groups based on the geographic location of where they call "home".
 
If all provinces and territories followed and open plan for canadian resident hunters, but they do not so no way do I support the idea of making it easy for or including in our considerations, out of province canadian hunters.
LEH draws should be for BC residents only and for those who actually hunt.
The enhanced odds is a crock of crap and needs to be changed to a fairer system that takes "luck of the draw" out of it.
I have zero issues with a system that prevents me from putting a draw in for 3 years following a drawn tag.(Using moose as an example).
I know one west coaster from alberni, with ties to the ministry that announced last year he had been drawn for the same 5-1 moose draw, for 4(?) years in a row , including last year.... While his new hunter daughter strikes out 3 years in a row for the same draw.
BC LEH system is a joke LOL
But it is what it is.

Still no update on the ministry site :(
 
45ACPKING said:
If all provinces and territories followed and open plan for canadian resident hunters, but they do not so no way do I support the idea of making it easy for or including in our considerations, out of province canadian hunters.
LEH draws should be for BC residents only and for those who actually hunt.
The enhanced odds is a crock of crap and needs to be changed to a fairer system that takes "luck of the draw" out of it.
I have zero issues with a system that prevents me from putting a draw in for 3 years following a drawn tag.(Using moose as an example).
I know one west coaster from alberni, with ties to the ministry that announced last year he had been drawn for the same 5-1 moose draw, for 4(?) years in a row ,
including last year.... While his new hunter daughter strikes out 3 years in a row for the same draw.
BC LEH system is a joke LOL
But it is what it is.

Still no update on the ministry site :(
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I agree if all parts of Canada were involved then we could bid LEH's across country. But it is all or nothing. LEH's are the cause of a lot of distrust but I am not privy to the actual process so cannot pass a judgement on that. We still have an open Moose week in our region so there is a consolation prize and it is tempting to say that should just be for us locals but...... absolutely not. BC is open to all BC'ers, only way. We all pay taxes at the end of the day and that accords us the same privileges as anybody else. I would like more freedom of movement for hunting and fishing all across my country. I always think of myself as a Canadian first and a BC boy second. Cannot even begin to imagine the bureaucratic nightmare a Canadian wide management programme would produce. Good luck with your LEH's everyone.
 
This actually has been remarkably civil, I disagree with TPK's LEH thoughts quite a bit, disagree but less so with others on the same, agree with several on the same, and I'm sure agree with all that we all love to hunt and are grateful to be doing so. Good luck to everyone in the draw indeed, looks forward to our sharing successes, I'm not likely to have any with the odds of the draws I put in for.
 
45ACPKING said:
What we really need is a BC Resident Hunting Association. A stand alone group lobbying government and the public. With zero to do with the innefectual BC wildlife association.
Non hunters with hunting licences in it to ruin the LEH should be able to be routed out and charged..... With something LOL
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you will discover that we need that in Yukon too ....
 
Let the non-hunters put in for LEH, it only HELPS us!! Let them give us their money and think they are screwing us .. they are not, their funds HELP US.

The basic formula for LEH is three entries for every animal, if the Ministry wants 1200 Moose down, 3600 successful LEH's are issued.

If a non-hunter gets a draw and doesn't use it, no biggie, these occurrences are very far and few in-between.

IF the Ministry is not seeing the number of animals being harvested that they are targeting, they will look at why and adjust the draws open and close dates, perhaps remove vehicle restrictions if there are any, what ever is required to help them get that number of animals harvested.

IF after three years of continually under harvesting (after they have made changes to try and achieve the AAH) they will transfer that portion of the allocation to the Guide Outfitters, and this works in both directions .. continued under harvest by a GO will see their quota transferred back to the resident hunter.

So .. a thousand rabid anti-hunters PAY to get their CORE, and possibly PAL, then they pay to enter draws and are successful but don't hunt ... the end result is what? MAYBE a transfer of quota from one side to the other (resident hunter to GO) and the animals are harvested anyway! please don't explain this to the anti-hunter, let them continue to help us and pay pay pay!

Now with regards to the BCWF, you bet you know where I sit, I support them. They are far from perfect and have troubles as any organization does but they have the largest membership and the ear of our Gov. so why wouldn't you just support them and get involved? The framework is there, if you don't like the way they do business, step and make a change, I've seen just that very thing happen many times since I've been involved. Change from within, it can and does happen. No need to re-invent the wheel, make this work the way you want by being involved and steering the direction. Easier than starting over from scratch and splitting the hunting community .. just look at the sh!t show that is the CSSA and NFA. How many times have people asked to form ONE group so firearms owners aren't split and fragmented between two very similar orgs.
 
Oh boy way too much derail in this thread.
I just want the lEH results not everyones view on the draw process.
I'm out
 
BC is planning to implement only purchase of hunting licences in 2015-2016. Hope LEH will also be modernized.
Anyway, I am check LEH website more than twice a day. There are two elk tags for my family.
 
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