Bcl 102 FTE

[armilaria]

My rifle also is experiencing stove piping. I received mine sometime in August but can’t remeber for sure. It seems to have no problem with 180 gr match grade ammo but Norinco and Barnaul 150 gr has not been good. I don’t want to send it in yet as I have only put 100 rounds through. I am also having issues with the XCR mags as the bullet tip is damaging the feed Ramps. Really wanted and bought this for 10 round mags with the potential of a deer gun. I feel if I continue to use it as is it won’t last long.

The stock mags work better and stopped using the pistol mags until I can figure it out. A am disappointed but not totally lost hope yet. Any advice is appreciated.

 

[RAConnol]

Pictures might help.
See if you can get some clear pictures of the bottom of the BCG, feed ramps and any other worn spots.

BTW this is my 102 up at the Victoria Gun Range today. I let a couple of younger guys try it and the scope.
We got about 60 rounds through the C-Products Defence 10 round mags without any issue at all.
See bottom picture for CPD Mags in original red and white packaging.
The 5 round Magpul also works perfectly as most Magul mags do.

 

[armilaria]

I think the issue might be the ASC mags. I have 2 C- products mags but they need modifying to work in my rifle. Those mags appear to have a tab on the front of the mag to stop the round from dipping while feeding. The ASC mags I have do not have that tab. I have not figured how to post pics yet...... the 2 brands are different. Hoping to one day get enough time to spend on it to figure it out. Life always finds away to stop that! In my VZ I have the opposite problem and c- product pistol mags do not work in my mag well but ASC work. Can’t win!!

Pictures might help.
See if you can get some clear pictures of the bottom of the BCG, feed ramps and any other worn spots.

BTW this is my 102 up at the Victoria Gun Range today. I let a couple of younger guys try it and the scope.
We got about 60 rounds through the C-Products Defence 10 round mags without any issue at all.
See bottom picture for CPD Mags in original red and white packaging.
The 5 round Magpul also works perfectly as most Magul mags do.

 

[Forbius]

I think the issue might be the ASC mags. I have 2 C- products mags but they need modifying to work in my rifle. Those mags appear to have a tab on the front of the mag to stop the round from dipping while feeding. The ASC mags I have do not have that tab. I have not figured how to post pics yet...... the 2 brands are different. Hoping to one day get enough time to spend on it to figure it out. Life always finds away to stop that! In my VZ I have the opposite problem and c- product pistol mags do not work in my mag well but ASC work. Can’t win!!

Your stovepiping issue shouldn’t be the mags. I am dancing circles myself with warranty now. We will see what they say

 

[meatball74]

had this exact issue. one thing that really helps is keeping it wet. like WET! but it doesn't solve the problem. The solution for me was to contact Ryan, then BCL and get a small parts kit sent out after they received the RMA info they requested.

What they sent me was a new extractor, extractor spring, a new o-ring for said spring and new gas rings. The gas rings are noticeably tighter. The result of about $10.00 worth of parts? It cycles pretty much flawlessly. The next time I went to the range I ran about 120 rounds of hirt and AE 7.62 nato. No issues, where before I'd get about 10-15 rounds through a wet gun and then a stovepipe or feeding issue.

Bottom line, contact Ryan who in turn will likely put you onto the warranty guys at BCL.

 

[Frank-]

had this exact issue. one thing that really helps is keeping it wet. like WET! but it doesn't solve the problem. The solution for me was to contact Ryan, then BCL and get a small parts kit sent out after they received the RMA info they requested.

What they sent me was a new extractor, extractor spring, a new o-ring for said spring and new gas rings. The gas rings are noticeably tighter. The result of about $10.00 worth of parts? It cycles pretty much flawlessly. The next time I went to the range I ran about 120 rounds of hirt and AE 7.62 nato. No issues, where before I'd get about 10-15 rounds through a wet gun and then a stovepipe or feeding issue.

Bottom line, contact Ryan who in turn will likely put you onto the warranty guys at BCL.

Thanks for that info, mine's been back benching until weather become nicer to tinker with it, extractor in the mail from bcl. From my understanding is that their extractors had a bad batch of heat treatment ? Adding to that tight specs, is the results we got ? I putted 60 rounds trought it with no enjoyment but my hopes are getting higher, LUBE bottle in hands.

 

[Forbius]

had this exact issue. one thing that really helps is keeping it wet. like WET! but it doesn't solve the problem. The solution for me was to contact Ryan, then BCL and get a small parts kit sent out after they received the RMA info they requested.

What they sent me was a new extractor, extractor spring, a new o-ring for said spring and new gas rings. The gas rings are noticeably tighter. The result of about $10.00 worth of parts? It cycles pretty much flawlessly. The next time I went to the range I ran about 120 rounds of hirt and AE 7.62 nato. No issues, where before I'd get about 10-15 rounds through a wet gun and then a stovepipe or feeding issue.

Bottom line, contact Ryan who in turn will likely put you onto the warranty guys at BCL.

I wish my luck with them was the same as yours. All I got to date is an extractor and then no replies from emails and text from owner of bcl. Ryan and staff at ammosource are doing their best getting through, but nothing.

 

[meatball74]

there are some minute differences between the old and the new extractor, it could be that my old one was not as hard (from the heat treating issue) and so it deformed but i think its more than that. I think the machining changed a tiny bit.

Forbius, I had a long stretch where they went silent, one package was "lost" in the mail and a new one showed up. All told the problem looked as though it did go away. its all been growing pains and learnings for everyone, BCL included.

I still love the rifle. I still giggle when it quickly eats up a mag.

 

[Forbius]

there are some minute differences between the old and the new extractor, it could be that my old one was not as hard (from the heat treating issue) and so it deformed but i think its more than that. I think the machining changed a tiny bit.

Forbius, I had a long stretch where they went silent, one package was "lost" in the mail and a new one showed up. All told the problem looked as though it did go away. its all been growing pains and learnings for everyone, BCL included.

I still love the rifle. I still giggle when it quickly eats up a mag.

Yes, it will invoke giggle moments.
One of the owners reached out to me and are making this issue right. Kudo’s on them! Soon my girl will purr nicely

 

[cjw]

had this exact issue. one thing that really helps is keeping it wet. like WET! but it doesn't solve the problem. The solution for me was to contact Ryan, then BCL and get a small parts kit sent out after they received the RMA info they requested.

What they sent me was a new extractor, extractor spring, a new o-ring for said spring and new gas rings. The gas rings are noticeably tighter. The result of about $10.00 worth of parts? It cycles pretty much flawlessly. The next time I went to the range I ran about 120 rounds of hirt and AE 7.62 nato. No issues, where before I'd get about 10-15 rounds through a wet gun and then a stovepipe or feeding issue.

Bottom line, contact Ryan who in turn will likely put you onto the warranty guys at BCL.

What's RMA info? I have registered for warranty on their site, sent a "service request" and sent a message though the "contact us" section on the BCL site and have received no reply. Pretty disappointed so far, 50 rounds total with about 20 FTE/stovepipes. I suspect gas rings as well, zero drag/resistance between bolt and carrier. Hopefully I hear something soon.

Clint

 

[cr5]

I have to say that my BCL102 is fantastic, it has never had a challenge, less than .75 moa. But the only part that is still BCL is the upper, lower receiver and buffer tube and spring. I changed everything else. These can be really good rifles, but not with BCL factory parts other than receivers

How do you figure these can be really good rifles when you say you've replaced almost every single part?
Sounds like the only thing that is any good is the receiver set and if that's the case a guy would be way better off just buying a Stag10 receiver set and building a rifle.
Blows my mind that guys are still spending (wasting) money on BCL.
That affordable rifle sure sounds like a good deal now doesn't it? Just have to spend another $1000 on it to replace all the junk parts and you might have a decent rifle.
This thread alone how many different guys have chimed in reporting the same problems? Ya, problems with BCL are rare and it's all just hater exaggeration, yup, the haters are the ones that are wrong about BCL

Sorry OP, I know that was of absolutely no help towards fixing your rifle.
Best advice I can give is to ask for your money back and if they won't refund it sell the rifle at a loss and learn a lesson about buying BCL products. No matter how much money you put into it your rifle will never be worth anything for resale. Cut your losses and buy a Stag 10.

 

[vyrago]

as a former Infantry veteran, I understand the importance of a properly functioning weapon. I'm finding it hard to see examples of BCLs being good out-of-the-box, it seems most/many are in need of overhaul before they can cycle properly. BCL is sending me a new BCG but if that doesnt resolve my issue i'll be disputing the purchase with my credit card. I'm not going to chase a bad bet with more money, i'll get a Stag and be done with it.

 

[Horse96]

The BCL buffer spring is way over sprung. Try swapping it.

 

[DT741]

How do you figure these can be really good rifles when you say you've replaced almost every single part?
Sounds like the only thing that is any good is the receiver set and if that's the case a guy would be way better off just buying a Stag10 receiver set and building a rifle.
Blows my mind that guys are still spending (wasting) money on BCL.
That affordable rifle sure sounds like a good deal now doesn't it? Just have to spend another $1000 on it to replace all the junk parts and you might have a decent rifle.
This thread alone how many different guys have chimed in reporting the same problems? Ya, problems with BCL are rare and it's all just hater exaggeration, yup, the haters are the ones that are wrong about BCL

Sorry OP, I know that was of absolutely no help towards fixing your rifle.
Best advice I can give is to ask for your money back and if they won't refund it sell the rifle at a loss and learn a lesson about buying BCL products. No matter how much money you put into it your rifle will never be worth anything for resale. Cut your losses and buy a Stag 10.

We should send a BCL102 to the Chinese to see if they can reverse engineer it and make it work for cheaper

 

[Foxer2373]

We should send a BCL102 to the Chinese to see if they can reverse engineer it and make it work for cheaper

The funny part is people still believe these cost more than $750 to make....

I still love this timeline “these will be $1500” “take my money” “due to unforeseen costs the price is now $1750” “these are now $1550” “inventory blowout $1350” “demo model $1250”

I’m all for making money to stay viable but this was blatant grab all that we can before competition arrives then we will drop prices to keep inventory moving...

 

[DT741]

Also refered to as "Canadian NR Tax" and the "Made in Canada Hype"

 

[cr5]

We should send a BCL102 to the Chinese to see if they can reverse engineer it and make it work for cheaper

If they were 99% good reliable firearms and only the odd warranty claim I don't think $1700 was an unfair price. My problem is them charging $1700 or now even $1200 for a rifle you need to mentally prepare yourself for before buying because there is a good chance there will be something wrong with your new toy.
NEA has always had manufacturing problems and that combined with a lazy QC department they send products to customers that should never have left the building and solely rely on their warranty to keep their customers happy. Unfortunately their warranty department sounds like they drag their asses taking care of customers now as well.
These guys have been building firearms and firearms parts for years and have learned nothing. The only good thing about them is they have Ryan working the middle ground acting as a buffer between them and their customers.

 

[armilaria]

I messaged Chemist a week ago and have not heard back on my stove piping issues. I guess I will call SFRC next week. Don’t really want to send it away yet with a hundred rounds through. I seem to have a bunch of Ammo that does not work well. I don’t think I can accept a rifle that only like $40+ per box of ammo when I did want to plink with it.

 

[Horse96]

A quick google search suggested that Stove piping issues are usually the extractor. Either the lip or the spring. If that doesn't fix it, then it's the ejector.

And I'm no BCL fanboy, even though mine shoots great, but, Americans have the same issues with their ar's. Both ar 10's and 15's. It seemed the fix is usually installing higher end components. The snipers hide post I read had one guy solving his stovepipe problems by going with JP BCG parts or the whole BCG.

So, the ar family is not without its challenges. BCL or not.

If I had to do it over again, I'd go with the Stag. The original parts would probably be better, ie work, but way more importantly, there are more DPMS patterned parts out there. Both higher end and easier to get.

 

[cr5]

A quick google search suggested that Stove piping issues are usually the extractor. Either the lip or the spring. If that doesn't fix it, then it's the ejector.

And I'm no BCL fanboy, even though mine shoots great, but, Americans have the same issues with their ar's. Both ar 10's and 15's. It seemed the fix is usually installing higher end components. The snipers hide post I read had one guy solving his stovepipe problems by going with JP BCG parts or the whole BCG.

So, the ar family is not without its challenges. BCL or not.

If I had to do it over again, I'd go with the Stag. The original parts would probably be better, ie work, but way more importantly, there are more DPMS patterned parts out there. Both higher end and easier to get.

I'm going to bet those rifles were not brand new rifles. Things wear out and there's no problem with that. Many of these are no good from day one.