BCL Has a 9mm carbine design coming?!

Can-down said:
Farmhand, if the dystopian ever brown s h i t stem continues as you suggest.... why would you think detachable magazines of any capacity, let alone 30 rounders will be allowed?

The good news is. it will likely take them years to develop and by then we should have a new govt of some sort or other....
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They could take a bison 223. Mod a Glock mag adapter. Open up the bolt face, and rebarrel it to 9mm. Like converting a AR 15 to 9mm. Now not sure how well it would function. As I know with my 9mm AR it didnt like me riding the bolt.
 
How did the British make a 45 calibre bolt action rifle in WW2 without much of an issue under war time stress? I’m sure that BCL can do that and if they take their time it will be a success. They should take everything they learned from MRX bison and incorporate those lessons into the new rifle.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I assume that by the time this rifle came out it would have 30 round mags. Liberals would be on the way out but of course almost all semi autos would be banned. Then the conservatives would get in. But I highly doubt that the conservatives will reverse any decision that the liberals made. Canada is in the toilet in every possible way
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Liberals can just ban ammo that can be used in Handguns. You already got stores making their own rules. That they won't sell you 9mm ammo if you don't have a RPAL. Liberals are going after magazine limits, so nothing is safe.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I assume that by the time this rifle came out it would have 30 round mags. Liberals would be on the way out but of course almost all semi autos would be banned. Then the conservatives would get in. But I highly doubt that the conservatives will reverse any decision that the liberals made. Canada is in the toilet in every possible way
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Biggest barrier to reform will be the so called independent Senators that were gifted to the Turd on his inauguration.

Honestly the way the world is accelerating into a new era of technocracy, bolt action 9mm's are pretty down the list of things to look forward to.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
How did the British make a 45 calibre bolt action rifle in WW2 without much of an issue under war time stress? I’m sure that BCL can do that and if they take their time it will be a success. They should take everything they learned from MRX bison and incorporate those lessons into the new rifle.
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Just because they did, doesnt mean it worked. That rifle functioned poorly, and often jammed. And just taking that and making it 9mm doesn't work.

9mm is over 2x shorter than 223. You run into feeding issues. A gunsmith and I, took a 303 Lee and made it 9mm. But because the short 9mm it had to jump too far to chamber and often stove piped.

So it's not simple as scaling down a 223 as you think.
 
OkayShooter said:
Just because they did, doesnt mean it worked. That rifle functioned poorly, and often jammed. And just taking that and making it 9mm doesn't work.

9mm is over 2x shorter than 223. You run into feeding issues. A gunsmith and I, took a 303 Lee and made it 9mm. But because the short 9mm it had to jump too far to chamber and often stove piped.

So it's not simple as scaling down a 223 as you think.
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I am not surprised that if you used an existing 303 British rifle as a platform that it would stove pipe every time. But if you make the rifle from scratch to be the dimensions of a 9mm then it does not matter how short of a cartridge it is. You wouldn’t have any jumping too far because the rifle was purpose made for 9mm. It’s just never done because there is no market for that. But there will be shortly in our corrupt country
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I am not surprised that if you used an existing 303 British rifle as a platform that it would stove pipe every time. But if you make the rifle from scratch to be the dimensions of a 9mm then it does not matter how short of a cartridge it is. You wouldn’t have any jumping too far because the rifle was purpose made for 9mm. It’s just never done because there is no market for that. But there will be shortly in our corrupt country
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Never said it stove piped everytime. It depended on how fast you worked the bolt. They had to set the barrel back and shorten the bolt. So it was making it for 45. Same thing you are saying. Scaling it down a Bison for 9mm. Not as easy as you think.

If you think it's easy. Why dont you tell BCL to hire you.

The only other 9mm bolt out there is a modified Armscor 22 TCM.
 
joemanco said:
Do you know what's up with those UK Straight Pull 9mm Rifles (Schmeisser, Lantac)? Not viable for some other "reason"?
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They use off the shelf AR-15 lower recievers, and modified upper recievers both of which are currently banned.

Most of them are basically just AR-15's without the gas system drilled afaik.
 
I'm sure I'm not understanding something, but my Spanish Destroyer in 9mm Largo (like 9x23mm) is a magazine fed bolt action pistol caliber carbine. Feeds FMJ 124gr ammo very reliably.

I've read some Spanish Destroyers have been rechambered in 9mm Lugar (9x19mm).

To me, it seems easy to make a magazine fed bolt action PCC - these Destroyers are like 75-90 years old. If patented maybe the patent is expired? Just copy this firearm.
 
OkayShooter said:
Last I've seen it was close to 300$ to buy 1000rds of 9mm at a store.
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Where are you finding 1000rds for under $300? The cheapest 9mm from any manufacturer I've seen anywhere in the GTA is over $400 for 1000rds unless it's aluminum case and even that's close to $400. 1000rds of 9mm brass case in Toronto hasn't started with a 3 in well over a year.
 
PixInTheSix said:
Where are you finding 1000rds for under $300? The cheapest 9mm from any manufacturer I've seen anywhere in the GTA is over $400 for 1000rds unless it's aluminum case and even that's close to $400. 1000rds of 9mm brass case in Toronto hasn't started with a 3 in well over a year.
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It was just a number I threw out, should said over. But it's not cheap like the OP said it was.

FARMHANDYO said:
If you want to shoot 9mm or 223. You really do need to reload.
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But you said it's next to free.. After you spend the several hundred on reloading gear.
 
OkayShooter said:
It was just a number I threw out, should said over. But it's not cheap like the OP said it was.



But you said it's next to free.. After you spend the several hundred on reloading gear.
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I had an initial $400 investment in reloading equipment 5 years ago. Easily paid for itself in savings over the first year. When I reload 9mm and 223 I don’t consider them to be expensive anymore to shoot. For me it’s not anyways.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I had an initial $400 investment in reloading equipment 5 years ago. Easily paid for itself in savings over the first year. When I reload 9mm and 223 I don’t consider them to be expensive anymore to shoot. For me it’s not anyways.
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Now you are at least a grand in for a lee set up worth using and all the kit to go with... then add powder, primers (if/when you can get them), projectiles, and brass (if you are not on your hands and knees at the range like a freakin vulture). Long gone are the days of cheap reloading.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I would argue the MRX bison in 5.56 is a better product than the Ruger American Ranch in its current state. There is a good product that’s not talk. I also have no affiliation with them at all lol
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I'll argue that all day long. My RAR beats the Bison in weight, cost, accuracy, reliability.
 
rommelrommel said:
Your assertions are as credible as your trader rating.
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