yah Im willing to send mystic my g2
BCL102 Range Review, SECOND RANGE TRIP POST 123!!!
- Thread starter Jay
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yah Im willing to send mystic my g2
I have loads made up to test . Tsx 168gn with h4895 start load of 40gn all the way to 43.5 ( not expecting to get that high with out pressure signs) I was pleased to see some good groups with the tsx factory bullets so I'm hopeful. Although I am leaning more for velocity that accuracy (for proper expantion) i hope to get a tight group and repeatable reasults.
- Location
- Fort St John B.C.
i would throw in 6 boxes of federal gmm 175g for the control ammo..... and i would expect the rifle to be gone at least 6 weeks + (1 week each way shipping). getting jerry to shoot it instead of a bunch of random dudes is that he is a known quality of shooter. i would also propose we send the rifles with no scopes so that variable is erased from the test.
trigger upgrades for the bcl102 should be allowed, the kac has an adequate trigger and the mh has even a better trigger.... see what jerry says.
Haters are going to hate.
But only 80 rounds in and 6 types of ammo. (And a scope that vortex said was shocked would hit plywood) that's 1" for 5 shots abd 1.5 for 10.
That's very good in my eyes 1" is 4"at 400. Dead deer in my books.
Is this a .5 moa gun? I think possible ... we shall see ...
https://i.imgur.com/FYXL9UM.png
But only 80 rounds in and 6 types of ammo. (And a scope that vortex said was shocked would hit plywood) that's 1" for 5 shots abd 1.5 for 10.
That's very good in my eyes 1" is 4"at 400. Dead deer in my books.
Is this a .5 moa gun? I think possible ... we shall see ...
https://i.imgur.com/FYXL9UM.png
Nice job Matt .
I'm east of Edmonton as well, I might be down for some plinking if I can manage to get a night off . My trigger should be in today as well .
DiabeticKripple
CGN Regular
- Location
- Red Deer, Alberta
minute of pie plate at 300 is enough for me.
135 to 168s. I don't shoot autoloaders past 600m, and the 168 SMK is optimized for up to the 600m line.
Inside 300m I stick mostly to 150-155 Gr. bullets.
There is little point in going with anything heavier - in the 175-180 grain range - waste of money, beat the gun, and the 150ish bullets will shoot just as well. Some of my favourite 155s are the Berger 155.5gr. Full bore Target and the Sierra 155gr. HPBT Palma Match.
Unlike a bolt gun, you need to find bullets that do well with loading from mag length (2.800" oal) and auto-loading which in most cases translates to crimping. I've had good luck with crimping match bullets without a cannilure (including the two mentioned) so don't go thinking your bullets automatically need them.
The Berger FB target is a long nosed round about the size and shape of most 175-180 gr. bullets, so it may be a trick to get it to load from a mag, depending on the mags used
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
I would be happy to work up some precision ammo and see what these rifles will do. If the group wants to see what factory ammo will do, if that is supplied, I would be happy to compare.
Thinking it would be nice to see how these rifles work with 3 commonly used factory ammo... GMM, good quality hunting and match. There is little point in using a surplus or milspec ammo. The performance isn't going to be great regardless of the platform. You guys can decide on the 3 but it will have a max bullet weight of 178gr... I think 168 is what I think would be max... 150ish gr likely ideal. Forget about any hot rodded/extra energy bolt action ammo... doesn't work.
I have some Hrn 150gr FMJBT that I would donate as the baseline bullet option... brass, primers also donated. This bullet has proven to be sub MOA capable and is something most can access if they want to reload.
I don't have any powder faster then Varget. IMR8208, H4895, Benchmark would be ideal for these types of rifles with the 150gr family of bullets. If we can pool some funds to get, that will go a long ways to get the best accuracy from these rifles and not strain the moving bits. I will load to moderate pressure only... similar to 7.62NATO spec.
Sorry, if you want to hot rod a semi, that is something you can do with your own rifle. They are not designed for this and why many perform badly with bolt action spec ammo.
Semis by nature are very sensitive to ammo tuning. A superb shooter can perform poorly if the powder charge is off by as little as 0.2gr. I will tune as I would any match rifle and the rifle will do what it can.
If the group wants to see how these rifles shoot with true match bullets, we can certainly do that... all options are possible. What would you guys move to if you wanted to handload? Berger, Sierra, Nosler, Hrn???? I would suggest no heavier then 178gr... I would suggest going towards 150gr as ideal. This will get pricey so it would be nice to get some "crowd funding".
I would work up each rifle shooting a hundred to two hundred rds... no this is not a one load wonder test. The rifles will be set up to use the MPOD and rear bag so that there is no concern about rest error. I will use my Sightron target scopes which go up to 50X... aiming error is not going to be a concern. If you want to provide a scope, by all means. We can discuss as many scopes just aren't going to help the result but I love testing new product.
Once the best load is determined... 3X5 rds test will be performed so that the average accuracy can be determined. All groups will be shot on 1 target with plenty of time to cool the barrel or whatever temp the barrel prefers to shoot its best. The goal is to demonstrate the accuracy potential... not one wallet sized group.
I will document and report each step so everyone can play along. For disclosure: I do not sell any firearms so have no financial interest in the outcome of any of these rifles. The tests will be done with the intent to extract the best performance from each rifle. The results will not be selectively adjusted to give a desired outcome... the rifles will do what they do - good, bad or ugly, that is how I will report.
So, you may or may not like the results but it will be accurate for the rifle being tested. Any function problems will be reported.
All rifles need to have a muzzle thread of 5/8-24 so I can mount a muzzle brake of my choosing... sorry, I am not going to be beat up testing these rifles. Not really worried about buttstocks.. whatever is typical for that rifle as purchased. Free floating forends would be ideal but if a rifle doesn't come that way, so be it. Being able to mount a T slot rail will be important and I will discuss with the owner before anything is sent to me. Yes, I can use a pedestal rest if necessary but most forends on military type rifles do not sit well on front rests... the MPOD is miles more stable.
Regarding costs, I think crowd funding will be nice.... there is the powder, return postage with insurance, factory ammo, and any match bullets desired to be tested. This can easily hit a few hundred $ for each rifle tested.
The time window will be late Sept to when the snow flies... definitely need each rifle for 3 to 4 wks as weather is going to be a factor and I don't go to the range every day. Every effort will be made to let each rifle shoot at their best. This is not a torture or abuse test. I want each rifle to be successful and offer the steps to get the most from each platform.
If there is interest to continue, I will need rifles volunteered for this test. Some concensus on ammo, bullets and format on the testing. This is as much a CGN community test as it is for my personal knowledge... maybe a new post so we can get the ground rules and project documented. I am not interested in fan boy hate or love. This is a performance test for pure accuracy on target at 100 and possibly 250yds.
The balls in the CGN court....
Jerry
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- Fort St John B.C.
well there you go guys, i am in.... and like the "crowd funding" idea, (if cgn approved).
Yup, Jerry you could set up a patreon or (FRAUD ALERT) account for people to contribute to.
- Location
- Fort St John B.C.
Just remembered my muzzle brake is 3/4" si it's up to Jerry if he still wants it
I would pitch $20 to help with costs, it's not a lot but these aren't my rifles and if everyone interested throws in $20-$30 there should be plenty of cash to buy some factory control ammo like FGMM and the reloading components needed. I am very interested to see how these rifles will do especially if there's a couple rifles to compare to. 1-20-ish had said before that he would send Jerry his MH with proof barrel, maybe he's still willing, I've printed some groups with his rifle that were very close to 5 shot 1 moa but we didn't have any premium stuff to test to see what it was really capable of.
EMT directly to Jerry would probably be easiest for everyone.
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
Send me an email at info@mysticprecision.com with some pics and we can discuss. Some brakes work great... some just make alot of noise
Someone please start a separate post so we can gauge interest before we start. I need to know who wants to share their rifle for tests and timeframe. We should have an assortment of NEA, ATRS, AR10, whatever. 1 sample from each brand/family. I will discuss directly with the owners so they are comfy with how I will test. There are some platforms that will not shoot accurately but can participate for S&G's.
We need to see how many CGN members are willing to help defray the costs. A show of hands will be enough to start. If we can get industry participation, even better. I have indicated what Mystic Precision/Jerry will offer to this project... any other business that wants to play along can email me directly to discuss.
This is NOT a pissing match about who got the bigger D!CK and I will shut this down if the direction heads that way.
The goal is to see what a platform can do wrt to pure accuracy. I will make every effort to get each and every rifle shooting at their best. I would be thrilled if we could get a bunch of NR AR'ish rifles shooting sub MOA with commonly available parts and techniques. Then we can have a bunch of happy lawabidding users enjoying them OFF THE RANGE.
That would be a great project indeed.
Jerry
